‘Eternal suffering’ is nonsensical

You know, the Moslems are absolutely appalled at the thought that God would have a Son, and that He would be hung bleeding, nearly naked, six hours on a Roman torture cross. Such a thing to them is impossible.

They also could not conceive that beyond what torturing Roman soldiers could do, beyond what jealous religious Jews could do, the wrath of God could then also come down upon His Son, that it might NOT have to come down upon sinners.

I see little difference in their unbelief and in your's that beyond physical death, God could carry out His anger against unbelief.

To us who are alive - and "under the sun" death is absolutely a matter of one being GONE - GONE - GONE.

How do you know that that is the case with God?

Don't you think that we better take God's word for it that that is not the case with Him?

The Bible says that from God there can be no escape if He wants to take one.

" Though they dig into Sheol, From there My hand will take them; Though they go up into heaven, From there I will bring them down." (Amos 9:2)

No getting away from God anywhere or in any state, if God want to deal with you.

Originally posted by @sonship
I cannot conceive of me being able to dispense perfect justice.

I think this is probably as close as you are going to get to acknowledge the sheer moral contradiction of eternal suffering. I know you can see it and I know that you believe that you are doing the right thing in hanging on to what you see as God's word. You are just mistaken in what it means and are too proud or too scared to let it go. I have element of sympathy for you.

Originally posted by @sonship
I see little difference in their unbelief and in your's that beyond physical death, God could carry out His anger against unbelief.

I don't have "unbelief" about eternal suffering because it doesn't exist.

Furthermore, comparing my disgust at the notion of torturing billions of people for eternity with the religious indignation of Muslims about the gospel is sheer intellectual dishonesty by you Sir. I object to your teaching on moral grounds, through common sense, common decent, the gospels themselves, through the spirit of Christ and all that is good. The Muslim thing is just cross-religious conflict and you know it.

Originally posted by @divegeester
Jesus cannot have taught it due to it being the complete pile of incoherent abhorrent nonsense that it is.

See my post above this one of your's which I'm replying to.

Therefore your interpretation is in error.

Jesus cannot have taught it due to it being the complete pile of incoherent abhorrent nonsense that it is.

Do you expect me to take this kind of complaint seriously?

Didn't those crying out to "Crucify Him, Crucify Him!" have problems with what He taught too ?

It was incoherent and a pile of abhorrent nonsense to them, that He should destroy their temple and in three days raise it up again (as they understood Him)?

Do you expect me to disbelieve Christ's words because they do not come up to your standard of what makes all sense?

Did you ever read this?

" ... But let God be true and every man a liar, " (Rom. 3:4a)

Now my dear wife is complaining that this PC is consuming all my time.

So if I don't respond anymore now, you can enjoy a good gloating time of imagining that my mouth has been finally shut by your irrefutable reasoning.

LOL.

Originally posted by @sonship
...my mouth has been finally shut by your irrefutable reasoning.

Yep, you got me...the loving Jesus who died for the lady in question because he loves her SO much, will be personally burning her alive in hell for all eternity because she rejected him.

It's beautiful, it's grace, it's mercy, it's love, it's joy, it's peace, it's glorifying to the Lord.

It's your horrible belief and you are welcome to it.

Originally posted by @sonship
You know, the Moslems are absolutely appalled at the thought that God would have a Son, and that He would be hung bleeding, nearly naked, six hours on a Roman torture cross. Such a thing to them is impossible.

They also could not conceive that beyond what torturing Roman soldiers could do, beyond what jealous religious Jews could do, the wrath of God cou ...[text shortened]... uote]

No getting away from God anywhere or in any state, if God want to deal with you.

Please clarify why God would display 'anger' (a human emotion) towards 'unbelief' and take it so far as to torment the unbeliever forever in the fires of hell.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Please clarify why God would display 'anger' (a human emotion) towards 'unbelief' and take it so far as to torment the unbeliever forever in the fires of hell.

Now you've asked for it....😲

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Please clarify why God would display 'anger' (a human emotion) towards 'unbelief' and take it so far as to torment the unbeliever forever in the fires of hell.

Please clarify why God would display 'anger' (a human emotion) towards 'unbelief' and take it so far as to torment the unbeliever forever in the fires of hell.

I think I probably should leave this subject now and go elsewhere to talk about another aspect of the word of God.

The more one talks about this matter of eternal punishment, the more opposers to it will tend to accuse me of being eager that people be punished.


You know that when the disciples asked Jesus if they should command fire to come down and burn up a town that rejected Him and His disciples, Jesus rebuked them.

" And seeing this [the rejection of the Samaritans] the disciples James and John said, Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?

But turning, He rebuked them and said, You do not know of what kind of spirit you are.

The Son of Man has not come to destroy men's lives but to save them. And they went into another village." (Luke 9:54-56)

You see, some of the taunting that is now going on is a tempting to get the Christian to appear EAGER that men's lives be destroyed forever.

This topic can be discussed in the wrong spirit.
I don't want the taunters to tempt me into that same error of the impetuous James and John.

Originally posted by @sonship
You know that when the disciples asked Jesus if they should command fire to come down and burn up a town that rejected Him and His disciples, Jesus rebuked
You see, some of the taunting that is now going on is a tempting to get the Christian to appear EAGER that men's lives be destroyed forever.
This topic can be discussed in the wrong spirit.
I don't want the taunters to tempt me into that same error of the impetuous James and John.

Do you feel worried that you might be tempted to ask god to “destroy my life forever” because I think your belief about burning people for eternity is horrendous and yet ridiculous? I’m reminded of how you claimed that knowing those who mistreat you will be in hell, helps you to forgive them.

While you are away pouting, you might want to reflect that these are YOUR horrible beliefs and I am a Christian with every right to challenge you on them.

Originally posted by @sonship
I think I probably should leave this subject now and go elsewhere to talk about another aspect of the word of God.

Alas, anger, revenge and torture constitute your ideology's incoherent heart of darkness. You made it so when you touted the burning of non-believers as being the "perfect morality".

Originally posted by @divegeester
Do you feel worried that you might be tempted to ask god to “destroy my life forever” because I think your belief about burning people for eternity is horrendous and yet ridiculous? I’m reminded of how you claimed that knowing those who mistreat you will be in hell, helps you to forgive them.

While you are away pouting, you might want to reflect tha ...[text shortened]... these are YOUR horrible beliefs and I am a Christian with every right to challenge you on them.

Oh, I welcomed the challenge. And I said you can believe differently if you are so convinced.

Will you now follow me around with taunts and reminders on other threads?

I mean like - "REMEMBER? You still haven't convinced me of this. You still have not persuaded me of this. You must persuade this poster about this!"

I don't know why you feel to do that - "Come back and fight with me so more !!"

Originally posted by @sonship
Will you now follow me around with taunts and reminders on other threads?

This thread is about your version of Jesus eternally torturing the people he died for because he loved them so much but they rejected him....And this is what we are discussing; so you suggesting that I’m following you around with taunts on other threads is just more pouting sonship. It’s not my fault that what you believe about Jesus is indefensible.

Originally posted by @divegeester
This thread is about your version of Jesus eternally torturing the people he died for because he loved them so much but they rejected him....And this is what we are discussing; so you suggesting that I’m following you around with taunts on other threads is just more pouting sonship. It’s not my fault that what you believe about Jesus is indefensible.

It is unusual to see someone so much trying to attack what he says is indefensible.

Luke 12:4,5

Originally posted by @sonship
It is unusual to see someone so much trying to attack what he says is indefensible.

If you didn’t defend it, and actually promote it, it would be under attack would it.

Originally posted by @sonship
It is unusual to see someone so much trying to attack what he says is indefensible.

Dasa had some pretty ghastly superstitious stuff that he propagated here too.