‘Eternal suffering’ is nonsensical

Originally posted by @rajk999
Cant seem to find anything in those references about:
- eternal / everlasting suffering
- eternal / everlasting torment.
for nonChristians, or sinful people etc.
Do you mind pointing it out?

I see:other stuff about.
- eternal fire
- some worm that does not die
- everlasting contempt
- the devil, the beast and the false prophet tormented for ever ...[text shortened]... ng about eternal torment for people in general.

Is English your second language or something?

Weeping and gnashing of teeth is done by dead people? Is English your third language?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Weeping and gnashing of teeth is done by dead people? Is English your third language?

You will find nowhere in the Bible about dead people 'weeping and gnashing teeth'.

Even if you manage to find it, nothing in that suggests 'weeping and gnashing teeth'.will continue for all eternity.

Lets see you find it. All you have so far is speculation.

Originally posted by @rajk999
You will find nowhere in the Bible about dead people 'weeping and gnashing teeth'.

Even if you manage to find it, nothing in that suggests 'weeping and gnashing teeth'.will continue for all eternity.

Lets see you find it. All you have so far is speculation.

Well obviously people that are dead don't weep and gnash their teeth genius. So the weeping and gnashing of teeth is done by a living beings.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
So the 'perishing' that Jesus came to save us from in John 3:16 is simply death and a cessation of existence? Most atheists and in fact everyone would be quite happy just to die and to simply cease their existence and face no consequences for all the wrongs they have committed in their lifetime. In fact they would probably prefer it if no one 'saved them' ...[text shortened]... e one bringing the gospel into disrepute and making Jesus's atoning sacrifice sound quite cheap.

I am not interested in talking to you.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Clearly you relish the idea of eternal suffering for those you consider nonChristians. If you look at the Greek wording for the John 3 passage you would see that 'perish' has the following derivative:

[i]apollumi ap-ol'-loo-mee; [b]to destroy fully (reflexively to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively: - destroy, die, lose, mar, perish. Tot ...[text shortened]... o eternal torment and suffering for people.
This fate is reserved for the Devil and his angels.[/b]

Actually he has never once had the balls to unequivocally actually state what he believes regarding the teaching of eternal suffering.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Well obviously people that are dead don't weep and gnash their teeth genius. So the weeping and gnashing of teeth is done by a living beings.

Its time for me to join the rest of this forum and start ignoring you.
You need some psychiatric help.

Originally posted by @sonship
First let me say that two of you, Ghost and Dive have decided to request dj2becker just stop responding to you.

Realize that this mostly gives the impression that he may be exposing the weaknesses in some of your arguments.

There are plenty of posters who are more obnoxious then dj2becker. I mean - mean spirited, insulting, poisoning the well of dis ...[text shortened]... aken this approach could even suggest collusion. It looks that way a bit - a coordinated scheme.

And do you realise this post mostly gives the impression you have thrown your rattle out of the pram, as a result of being unable to defend the concept of eternal suffering?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Most atheists and in fact everyone would be quite happy just to die and to simply cease their existence and face no consequences for all the wrongs they have committed in their lifetime.

According to your beliefs, when you die, what consequences will you face for all the wrongs you have committed in your lifetime?

Originally posted by @rajk999

Clearly you relish the idea of eternal suffering for those you consider nonChristians.

That's a false accusation.
Christians who believe the words of the New Testament in this regard do not necessarily relish that any should perish.

If you look at the Greek wording for the John 3 passage you would see that 'perish' has the following derivative:

The word, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance - Greek Dictionary is #622. It is also used here:

" ... that one man die for the people and that not the whole nation PERISH." (John 11:50)

It is talking about the lose of well being not the lose of being. It doesn't mean the whole nation of Israel immediately with its millions suddenly cease from existence.
The same word is used here in First Corinthians 8:11 and translated "destroyed". It means the lose of well being and not the lose of existence and being altogether.

"For the one who is weak is being destroyed by your knowledge, the brother because of whom Christ died."
(1 Cor. 8:11)

One Christian cannot by his insistence in diet cause another Christian to pass into non-existence or non-being.

He can however negatively effect the other brother's well being.

John 3:16 - "should not perish" then cannot be insisted to mean pass away into the non-existence of non-being, by that Greek word.

The word is also used as "perished" in Second Peter 3:6 where it means destruction of order rather than made non-existent.

"Through which the world then, being flooded with water, PERISHED." (2 Pet. 3:6)

Noah's flood did not cause the earth to become non-existent. It did damage its normal function.
The word is used in Luke 5:27 for wineskins and is RUINED in the KJV.

"And no one puts new wine into old wineskins, and it will be poured out and the wineskins will be ruined." (Luke 5:37)

This too is the loss of well-being and function not passing into non-existence.

Sad to say there is no eternal torment and suffering for people. This fate is reserved for the Devil and his angels.

The eternal fire is PREPARED for the Devil and his angels.

"Then He will say to those on the left, Go away you who are cursed into the eternal fire PREPARED for the devil and his angels." (Matt. 25:41)

In verse 46 the cursed people go to that place PREPARED for the devil and his angels. That is "eternal punishment"(v.46) which is "the eternal fire" (v.41).

"And these shall go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." (v.46)

You can believe differently if you wish.
But I take the sad meaning to be that what was prepared for the Devil and his angels, these lost judged people suffer the same fate. They will be with their leader.

Revelation 20:10 speaks of TWO people and the evil spirit of the Devil. It says that all parties - "THEY" will be tormented forever and ever.

"And the devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast [Antichrist, a man] and the false prophet [also a man] were;

and THEY [the Devil, the Antichrist, and the false prophet ] will be tormented day and night forever and ever." (See Rev. 20:10)

It doesn't say HE will be tormented forever and ever and the other TWO will not. It includes all parties -

" ... and THEY will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

Originally posted by @rajk999
Its time for me to join the rest of this forum and start ignoring you.
You need some psychiatric help.

Yes pretend what I have said does not exist that way you don’t have to deal with it. Bury your head in the sand with your pals.

Originally posted by @divegeester
I am not interested in talking to you.

Very mature indeed when you are faced with an argument that you can’t handle simply ignore it and pretend it’s not there.

Originally posted by @fmf
According to your beliefs, when you die, what consequences will you face for all the wrongs you have committed in your lifetime?

Why do you keep on asking questions you already know the answer to? Anybody that was a Christian for decades knows the answer to that question. If you have something to say about the answer that you already know, say it.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Yes pretend what I have said does not exist that way you don’t have to deal with it. Bury your head in the sand with your pals.

That people get fed up of you is not because you are clever or have good arguments, it's because your teenage gimmicks and chip-on-your-shoulder trolling make you seem like a jerk.