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Originally posted by @sonshipBut FMF is still fully engaging with him, it is GoaD, RAjk999 and myself who are not, at least for the moment
That's not what I see going on with you fellows exasperated with dj2becker.
Unlike verbose and wordy me who replies with long posts -
easy to skip over, your concise little criticisms are met with equally concise little cross examinations.
You guys seem not to be able stand that.
He meets you with your own style on your on ground.
But its "Discussion" - when YOU do it.
And its "Trolling" - when someone replies to you in kind.
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Originally posted by @sonshipBy the way are you committed to this new strange belief that people under judgement and in eternal suffering are not alive?
That's not what I see going on with you fellows exasperated with dj2becker.
Unlike verbose and wordy me who replies with long posts -
easy to skip over, your concise little criticisms are met with equally concise little cross examinations.
You guys seem not to be able stand that.
He meets you with your own style on your on ground.
But its "Discussion" - when YOU do it.
And its "Trolling" - when someone replies to you in kind.
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Originally posted by @divegeester
I keep asking you about this comment and you now seem to have disappeared again.
I don't take overly significant that someone has other things to attend to than perpetual argument with me.
I simply don't being on the edge of your chair 24 hrs. a day with a comeback to me, is significant of anything overly.
What evidence do you have that those people under judgment are not alive?
Antichrist and the false prophet are said to be thrown "alive" into "the lake of fire" which is "the second death" (Rev. 20:14)
"And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet; who in his presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshipped his image.
These two were cast alive into the lake of fire, which burns with brimstone." (Rev. 19:20)
1.) I cannot insist that they stayed alive.
2.) I can gather that they continued to suffer even if they physically died.
For it also says that "THEY" - Antichrist, the false prophet, and the Devil, will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (Rev. 20:10).
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There is no disputing that Hades is a place of the dead - the whole realm of the physically separated from the world as we know it. Yet Hades itself is seen as cast into the lake of fire - "the second death"
"And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire." (Rev. 20:14)
The hope of being able to escape punishment of suffering by unconscious annhilation into non-being is taken away by the Bible.
I don't NEED to know much more.
I don't NEED to be able to scientifically EXPLAIN much more.
Rather in God's way and according to God's wisdom, what is communicated to this world is that He indeed has a reach of authority from which avoidance and escape is not possible.
Again we ask the Son of God, if ANYONE ... whom shall we render the most extensive sense of fear.
"And I say to you My friends, Do not fear those who kill the body and AFTERWARD have NOTHING MORE that they can do to you.
But I will show you whom you should fear: fear Him who, AFTER killing, has authority to cast into Gehenna;
YES, I TELL YOU, FEAR THIS ONE." (My emphasis - Luke 12:4-5)
Do you think that you are working along with the Son of God when you teach "NO, Do not be fearful of God because you will be in the oblivion of non-existence."
Are you then teaching WITH Jesus Christ or contradicting the teaching of Jesus Christ?
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Conversely, on the positive side, such a One with ultimate authority, He teaches that we should FEAR NOT, if we are reconciled to Him. In the same lesson:
"Are not five sparrows sold for two assaria? And not one of them is forgotten before God.
But even the hairs of your head have all been numbered. Do not be afraid; you are of more value than many sparrows." (vs.6,7)
Go back to your Old Testament book of Ecclesiastes. There is a time for every matter. And there is a time to be terrified and a time to be comforted as it relates to God Almighty.
For everything there is a time.
"For everything there is a season, And a time for every purpose under heaven." (Ecc. 3:1)
Why would you try to teach that there is NO TIME to have an ultimate fear of God's worst wrath?
Originally posted by @rajk999If I had an inkling that you would listen, I would gladly help you out.
Again pal your doctrine is not in the Bible. Its man man-made hogwash. This is the 4th time I asked you to produce references for things you said and you ran away like a pussy. Where in the Bible could we find these statements which you think is Gods truth:
[b]No one dies for sin.
No one pays for sin, either personal transgressions or generically.
Sin has been paid for, thoroughly and completely.
Lets see them. Thanks[/b]
Instead, I will offer a challenge.
If you can successfully respond to this challenge, I will parse out the biblical support for each of your questions.
The challenge:
Provide the biblical support for calling another person "pussy" or, in ANY other form, using insults against others in the quest to establish one's point.
For a self-proclaimed biblical scholar, such a challenge ought to be child's play, yes?
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Originally posted by @sonshipThey are dead but still suffering. So when you said they are NOT alive, you were making it up?
1.) I cannot insist that they stayed alive.
2.) I can gather that they continued to suffer even if they physically died.
You must have been.🙄
Edit: this is what I mean by your “strange beliefs” sonship.
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Originally posted by @divegeester
They are dead but still suffering. So when you said they are NOT alive, you were making it up?
You must have been.
If you roll your eyes hard enough maybe those passages in the Bible conveying such things, will just disappear.
Edit: this is what I mean by your “strange beliefs” sonship.
The Bible does say that judgment is God's strange work, as if it is unusual that He should have to judge creatures at all.
" For Jehovah will rise as on Mount Perazim, He will be agitated as in the valley of Gibeon,
To do His deed, His strange deed, And to do His work, His most different work." (Isaiah 28:21)
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Originally posted by @divegeesterRoll those eyes harder Divegeester.
They are dead but still suffering. So when you said they are NOT alive, you were making it up?
You must have been.🙄
The verses are still there in my Bible.
Did you check yours?
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Sonship I think this "those under judgement are not alive" nonsense from you is just a distraction from this below...isn't it?
"divegeester to sonship:
Would you burn alive for eternity someone you loved that much, because they rejected you?
Sonship: “No”
Divegeester's reply
So you admit that to do so is either nonsensical, amoral, or both?"
You wouldn't burn someone alive whom you loved but you think it is "perfect justice" fro Jesus to.
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Originally posted by @divegeesterI have never been physically dead, yet.
How can people be dead and alive at the same time?
I don't think you even know what you believe yourself.
But I am not SO curious as to follow the Antichrist or Satan to find out what it would be like.
You don't have to believe the Bible in this regard as I do Divegeester. You're welcomed to have another interpretation if you think a better one exists.
To me Luke 12:4,5 is either the truth from God, or Jesus was dishonest to unrighteously TEACH us such a thing.
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Originally posted by @sonshipJesus cannot have taught it due to it being the complete pile of incoherent abhorrent nonsense that it is.
I have never been physically dead, yet.
But I am not SO curious as to follow the Antichrist or Satan to find out what it would be like.
You don't have to believe the Bible in this regard as I do Divegeester. You're welcomed to have another interpretation if you think a better one exists.
to me [b]Luke 12:4,5 is either the truth from God, or Jesus was dishonest to unrighteously TEACH us such a thing.[/b]
See my post above this one of your's which I'm replying to.
Therefore your interpretation is in error.
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Originally posted by @divegeester
justice" fro Jesus to.[/b]
You wouldn't burn someone alive whom you loved but you think it is "perfect justice" fro Jesus to.
I cannot conceive of me being able to dispense perfect justice.
I consider my life, what I have said, what I have done, where I needed forgiveness myself, where I needed pardon myself, how I still am being worked on by the Holy Spirit, and how far I have to go to be conformed to the image of Christ,
and I don't think I am qualified to dispense the perfect judgment that God can do.