‘Eternal suffering’ is nonsensical

Originally posted by @suzianne
So you accept that such punishment is "okay" for Satan.

No I don't. I don't understand those scriptures but as I have said I don't accept that torturing someone for eternity is an appropriate punishment for anything other than torturing someone alive for eternity.

Originally posted by @divegeester
Well we should warn people of what this means.

What is the "mark of the beast"?
What is "joining with Satan"?

Well, you know, if you read Revelation with a little less of this "screw it, it's all symbolism", you might have a better idea.

Originally posted by @suzianne
I don't know exactly what you fold into the umbrella concept of "damnation".

Anything about damnation that sonship discusses and you say he "gets right more than he gets wrong"?

Originally posted by @suzianne
Well, you know, if you read Revelation with a little less of this "screw it, it's all symbolism", you might have a better idea.

So you are unable to explain to me what these labels actually mean despite them being critical enough to be burnt alive for eternity for doing?

Originally posted by @divegeester
So you are unable to explain to me what these labels actually mean despite them being critical enough to be burnt alive for eternity for doing?

Do I really have to? Why? You seem to have a reasonable grip on most other parts of the Bible, but you have no idea what Revelation is about? Really?

This is like you responding "tl;dr" to sonship.

Originally posted by @divegeester
Well we should warn people of what this means.

What is the "mark of the beast"?
What is "joining with Satan"?

It's all laid out in Revelation, you know, for those with ears to hear.

"Joining with Satan" means worshipping the Beast or his image or taking his mark. Surely you're aware of the concept of the AntiChrist? This is the Beast. The "mark of the Beast" is his mark that he or his agents place on either the hand or the forehead, to signify that you belong to him. Surely you've heard of this.

Revelation is different from all other books of the Bible, in that it has yet to happen, it is about a future time. Yes it was written long ago and the descriptions of things have to be filtered through the thinking of John at that time. This doesn't make the threat any less real.

Originally posted by @suzianne
Do I really have to? Why? You seem to have a reasonable grip on most other parts of the Bible, but you have no idea what Revelation is about? Really?

This is like you responding "tl;dr" to sonship.

Well you do if you want to support your claim that one group get burnt alive forever while the other group don't.

Originally posted by @suzianne
It's all laid out in Revelation, you know, for those with ears to hear.

"Joining with Satan" means worshipping the Beast or his image or taking his mark. Surely you're aware of the concept of the AntiChrist? This is the Beast. The "mark of the Beast" is his mark that he or his agents place on either the hand or the forehead, to signify that you belon ...[text shortened]... filtered through the thinking of John at that time. This doesn't make the threat any less real.

You seem to be backing away from making a decent explanation by saying things like "it's all laid out in Revelation" and "for those with an ear", which just sounds a bit like you are saying read up and learn its easy. Which of course we know it isn't.

My point being that making specific claims about people being burnt alive for "bearing the mark" requires some specific explanation.

Originally posted by @divegeester
I see, so you as I suspected you do find it acceptable that the loving Jesus of John 3:16 will, as my OP points out, be burning alive those who have rejected him for eternity in a hellish place designed and maintained for that very purpose.

Nice.

I never said I find it acceptable - I'm saying that if the Bible says eternal suffering will happen - I believe it.

Originally posted by @divegeester
What are you talking about, those being burned alive will be humans/human souls.
Do you even read the scriptures that support your horrible beliefs?

"They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb."

"They" as per above Yes will be humans who are a burned alive, but it will not be humans who will view this, instead only the holy angels and the Son of God will.

Originally posted by @divegeester
What have got going on here:

It's in the Bible so it must be true - Nicksten
It's perfect justice - sonship
The burning won't be humans and wont be in front of humans - Nicksten (a secret torture chamber perhaps)
I'm not getting involved but enjoy thumbing down - suzianne
Can we start at the beginning - dj2becker

I do agree we are jumping around a bit here. But I only got here late.... 😉

Originally posted by @nicksten
I never said I find it acceptable - I'm saying that if the Bible says eternal suffering will happen - I believe it.

So are you saying that you don't find it acceptable?

Originally posted by @nicksten
"They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb."

"They" as per above Yes will be humans who are a burned alive, but it will not be humans who will view this, instead only the holy angels and the Son of God will.

That's right humans, billions of them, being supernaturally kept alive and burned with fire for eternity by this version of Jesus who loves them so much that he died for them.

Originally posted by @nicksten
I do agree we are jumping around a bit here. But I only got here late.... 😉

That is OK its a perennial subject and your input and opinion is most welcome.

Originally posted by @divegeester
You seem to be backing away from making a decent explanation by saying things like "it's all laid out in Revelation" and "for those with an ear", which just sounds a bit like you are saying read up and learn its easy. Which of course we know it isn't.

My point being that making specific claims about people being burnt alive for "bearing the mark" requires some specific explanation.

I'll try explain.

There is this, you either believe in God, or you don't. Irrespective of what you believe, IF you are saved you will go to heaven, if not, the only other option left is eternal suffering. There is no other island or another option you can escape too.

In life we are faced sometimes with many options, in some cases few options. Its like in some countries if you're caught stealing they will actually cut off your hand. You know the risk, so, do you want to keep your hand or loose it.
You can also decide if you want to be unfaithful to your partner, knowing that if you're caught out that you will loose him/her forever.
You can also not learn for the final exam, or drive a car without a valid license or pick a fight in the bar with the biggest and strongest guy - these are all choices, and we more than likely know how things will turn out in that you'd fail the exam, get a fine and get beaten to death I'm sure. We all know better.

The same goes with God - the choices are there, you know the risks, you take it or you leave it.