‘Eternal suffering’ is nonsensical

Originally posted by @dj2becker
What a silly question. Would he ask what it was if he had come across it? Gee your poor students. 😛

He has either asked the question disengenously or he hasn't studied the incredibly important subject of what happens at death according to various strands of Christian thought. So my question was not silly; it gives him the chance to clear up the matter. It's the kind of question I would encourage young people to ask people with beliefs like Nicksten when they encounter them.

Originally posted by @nicksten
I was thinking the same. FMF "as clever as he is" sometimes sounds..........foolish.

Do you consider yourself well informed on different Christian perspectives on what happens to believers and non-believers when they die?

Originally posted by @fmf
Do you consider yourself well informed on different Christian perspectives on what happens to believers and non-believers when they die?

The fact that you are referring to "different Christian perspectives" just shows where the real problem is. There is only one perspective, and that is clear in the Bible.
How preachers interpret and preach the wrong message is not for me to defend - I have not met any preacher that preaches false stuff that is outside the Bible.

I am not a pastor, didn't study theology - if that is what you're asking, but I have the Bible, common sense and logic. Do I need more?

Originally posted by @nicksten
The fact that you are referring to "different Christian perspectives" just shows where the real problem is. There is only one perspective, and that is clear in the Bible.
How preachers interpret and preach the wrong message is not for me to defend - I have not met any preacher that preaches false stuff that is outside the Bible.

I am not a pastor, did ...[text shortened]... y - if that is what you're asking, but I have the Bible, common sense and logic. Do I need more?

How can you declare an interpretation of the Bible that you seem to be admitting you have never heard of to be "the wrong message" and "false stuff"?

Originally posted by @nicksten
I have not met any preacher that preaches false stuff that is outside the Bible.

The concept of Annihilation cannot be said to be "outside the Bible".

The article at wikipedia cites these scriptural references:

Hebrews 10:26-27 NLT Hellfire will consume the wicked.

2 Peter 3:7 Ungodly will be destroyed.

Romans 2:7 God will make only righteous immortal.

Genesis 3:19 We came from dust and to dust we will return.

Psalm 146:4 Our thoughts/plans perish and spirit departs upon death.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins is the one who will die.

2 Chronicles 28:3 Jeremiah 19:5 Burning one's offspring in the Valley of Ben Hinnom (which is where concept of Gehenna or Hell comes from[75]) is NOT a commandment of God nor did it even enter His Mind.

Malachi 4:1–3 God will "burn up" the wicked at the judgment, and they will be ashes under the sole of the feet of the righteous. "For, behold, the day cometh, it burneth as a furnace; and all the proud, and all that work wickedness, shall be stubble; and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith Jehovah of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch...they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I make, saith Jehovah of hosts"

Matthew 10:28 Both body and soul are destroyed in hell. "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

John 3:16 People who don't believe in Jesus shall perish and not receive eternal life.

John 6:51 Jesus offer... to "live forever" would make no sense apart from the fact that not all will live or exist forever.

2 Thessalonians 1:9 Everlasting destruction is having been destroyed and having no way to undo that.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death.

1 Corinthians 15:12–49 Only those who belong to Christ will be raised with imperishable, immortal bodies, all others perish as a man of dust.

2 Peter 2:6 God made Sodom and Gomorrah an example of what is coming to the wicked, specifically by reducing Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes: "and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, having made them an example unto those that should live ungodly"

Revelation 20:14–15 The wicked will suffer a second death, the same fate that death itself suffers (and death will be abolished—1 Corinthians 15:26): "And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, even the lake of fire. And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire."

Originally posted by @fmf
How can you declare an interpretation of the Bible that you seem to be admitting you have never heard of to be "the wrong message" and "false stuff"?

what are you talking about?

Nicksten: There is only one perspective, and that is clear in the Bible. How preachers interpret and preach the wrong message is not for me to defend - I have not met any preacher that preaches false stuff that is outside the Bible.

FMF: How can you declare an interpretation of the Bible that you seem to be admitting you have never heard of to be "the wrong message" and "false stuff"?

Originally posted by @nicksten
what are you talking about?

I am talking about what you said in your post; the one I was replying to.

Originally posted by @fmf
The concept of Annihilation cannot be said to be "outside the Bible".

The article at wikipedia cites these scriptural references:

Hebrews 10:26-27 NLT Hellfire will consume the wicked.

2 Peter 3:7 Ungodly will be destroyed.

Romans 2:7 God will make only righteous immortal.

Genesis 3:19 We came from dust and to dust we will return.

Psalm 146:4 ...[text shortened]... fire. And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire."

A living soul is not annihilated while still alive in eternal suffering. They have different meanings.

Originally posted by @nicksten
A living soul is not annihilated while still alive in eternal suffering. They have different meanings.

So you've spent 12 minutes on the topic of Annihilation and you have got it sorted already?

Originally posted by @fmf
So you've spent 12 minutes on the topic of Annihilation and you have got it sorted already?

Assumptions. That is all I seem to get from you. Did I say I had it all sorted? The fact is the soul will suffer, it will not be annihilated. Tell me where you find it otherwise in the Bible.

Originally posted by @nicksten
Assumptions. That is all I seem to get from you. Did I say I had it all sorted? The fact is the soul will suffer, it will not be annihilated. Tell me where you find it otherwise in the Bible.

I thought I might have pricked your curiosity - with a few Biblical references - regarding a whole swathe of Christian thought but it seems not. I am a non-believer. There are Christians here who believe in Annihilation. There is also the wikipedia article as a starting point. I am still surprised that a poster who would crash-wallop his way onto a thread like this, completely misunderstand the OP, and then talk about a dissenting view as "really just stupid, ignorant and completely false" is now admitting you'd never heard of Annihilation.

Originally posted by @fmf
I thought I might have pricked your curiosity - with a few Biblical references - regarding a whole swathe of Christian thought but it seems not. I am a non-believer. There are Christians here who believe in Annihilation. There is also the wikipedia article as a starting point. I am still surprised that a poster who would crash-wallop his way onto a thread like ...[text shortened]... just stupid, ignorant and completely false" is now admitting you'd never heard of Annihilation.

It was obvious to most of us when he asked his first question. Good to see that you have caught on.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
It was obvious to most of us when he asked his first question. Good to see that you have caught on.

His "What are you talking about?" question, second post on this page, and his first post to me on this thread, were obviously disingenuous questions as well.

Originally posted by @fmf
I thought I might have pricked your curiosity - with a few Biblical references - regarding a whole swathe of Christian thought but it seems not. I am a non-believer. There are Christians here who believe in Annihilation. There is also the wikipedia article as a starting point. I am still surprised that a poster who would crash-wallop his way onto a thread like ...[text shortened]... just stupid, ignorant and completely false" is now admitting you'd never heard of Annihilation.

Okay so lets try and clear out the confusion. What was the exact point of the OP?
Note: There was absolutely no explanation given before or after confirming a view, or an opinion or anything...

Originally posted by @nicksten
Okay so lets try and clear out the confusion. What was the exact point of the OP?

The point of the OP is that the notion that non-believers are punished with suffering/torture/torment/burning for eternity is morally nonsensical. The dialogue in the OP is a parody (of sorts) of the concept subscribed to by adherents to the angry, vengeful torturer god ideology which is propagated by many Christians, including here on this forum.