Originally posted by @nickstenForgive me but this sounds more than wee bit disingenuous with you having said "I have tried reading most of the posts to get behind the story but its the same old same old" on page 30 when you arrived on this thread. Now you are claiming that there was nothing in the preceding 29 pages that put the OP into context for you? This seems a little odd.
There was absolutely no explanation given before or after confirming a view, or an opinion or anything...
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Originally posted by @nickstenOr perhaps just unconvinced of His existence,....hey?
you're either for or against God
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Originally posted by @fmfThe issue is whether or not you can make a coherent moral case for your torturer god ideology, sonship, not whether you can sift through mythological texts and find words and sentences here and there.
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The issue is not can you sift through your personal objections as if you were the final judge rather than God.
The moral case is that you cannot and will not win if you choose not to be reconciled to God forever.
You can believe so.
Or you can be stubborn to disbelieve.
But the Bible says that you are accumulating wrath up against yourself because of your sins.
"But according to your hardness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God." (Rom. 2:5)
Its better to get to know the living Lord Jesus.
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What moral lessons about the application of justice can human beings learn
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I just told you.
Reconciled to God - everything blessed, good, beautiful, eternal is ours in Christ.
You don't want to be reconciled to God - you are damned.
The chief leader in whom God has allowed all conceivable rebellion against Him to ferment, will be your leader.
And that one's miserable destiny you will share.
In Christ you share that Godman's glorious destiny.
based on what you tout as being the "perfect morality" and from seeking to emulate your mythologized Jesus character when it comes to burning non-believers?
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That is the gamble you take - Is Jesus the Son of God a myth or reality.
The weight of that choice is on you.
Sometimes I consider Christ as a kind of bomb shelter that God has provided. Those whom He created with freedom of will, in case they should revolt against the Ultimate Governor can be protected in Him from the consequences of their awful predicament.
It seems clear to me that Adam was neutral. But he moved out of that neutral position to a position of opposition to God - joining the Satanic source of all opposition against God.
God promised a salvation in those early events.
The seed of the woman would crush the head of the serpent. But in doing so that seed's heal would be bruised.
It pointed to the Son of God incarnated to destroy the Devil.
I love to sift through the promises of God.
I love to "regurgitate" them too - like the cow regurgitates its food "chewing the cud".
You just want everyone to sift through your supposedly "clever" objections against the Gospel.
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When, as you claim, Jesus "flows out" of Christians, which bit derives its "flow" from the burning-people-for-their-lack-of-belief aspect of your far-fetched moral universe?
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More sifting to do I see, through your "better" universe of sin and unbelief.
Stop trying to make an 'it-says-here' regurgitation-of-text type case, and make - instead - a moral case that isn't nonsensical.
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No. I think I will continue here to "regurgitate" as I see the need.
It is not clever arguments which finally convinced me. I do owe the event of my believing in the living God to the word of God.
So I almost always accompany my talking with the word of God. The more the FMFs of this world object, the more I am persuaded I am on the right track to tell people what the word of God says.
Originally posted by @nickstenThere are clearly different perspectives evident among Christians here in this community. How can you possibly claim that "There is only one perspective"? Or is this you referring to your own perspective?
The fact that you are referring to "different Christian perspectives" just shows where the real problem is. There is only one perspective, and that is clear in the Bible.
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Bump for any specific answers to these questions.
" But I will tell show you whom you should fear, fear Him who after killing, has authority to cast into Gehenna; yes, I tell you, fear this One. " (Luke 12:5)
1.) Is this a saying of Jesus about where fear should be placed ?
2.) Does the teaching teach that God can no nothing more to a man than other men can do ?
3.) Does the teaching convey that after a man had done his worst to another man, God has the power and authority to do even more?
4.) Does the teaching teach that physical death -
"killing" puts a man forever beyond the possibility of him being further harmed by God, should God desire to harm?
5.) Does the phrase "after killing" convey God's punishment can only be carried out on the physically living?
6.) Does the teaching prove that only by keeping a man from being killed can God punish him ?
7.) Does the burden of Jesus seem to be that we love the teaching or just that we believe the teaching ?
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Originally posted by @fmfThe moral issue is tied up in the nature of God.
This is quite simply an assertion and not a "moral case".
Many people can see that by observing the life of Jesus in the Gospels.
The moral issue for some readers also comes down to whether they should trust in Christ or trust in you and your arguments.
They should put their trust in Jesus Christ.
They should not put their destiny in the hands of your reasonings. I am sure of that.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukewell then you're "against".
Or perhaps just unconvinced of His existence,....hey?
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Originally posted by @fmfWe found out that Christ is not a socialogical matter of religious beliefs. He is a living Person.
How exactly is having - or not having - the same religious beliefs as you a "moral issue" for non-believers?
Your skepticism has need to reduce God to just a cultural matter of religious beliefs.
" ... No one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)
That is not "No one comes to the Father except who agrees with sonship."
Originally posted by @fmfWhatever the Bible says is true, that is the perspective, not what people "think" or "interpreted" the perspective to be.
There are clearly different perspectives evident among Christians here in this community. How can you possibly claim that "There is only one perspective"? Or is this you referring to your own perspective?
Originally posted by @sonshipI can see how your ideology is a kind of extreme partisanship - earnest, fulsome, tenacious - with a sort of convoluted gangster ethic at its very heart ~- and yes, this may well resonate with those who happen to be believers who can then go through their lives gauging their own morality in terms of their adherence to their own dogma ~ but I still don't see how it creates a "moral issue" for non-believers.
[b]We found out that Christ is not a socialogical matter of religious beliefs. He is a living Person.
Your skepticism has need to reduce God to just a cultural matter of religious beliefs.