‘Eternal suffering’ is nonsensical

Originally posted by @nicksten
Or - let me log out and log on as dj2becker on a different static ip from another country using a VPN to fool the people here.......sigh.

I am genuinely interested in whether dj2becker will confirm or deny whether or not he agrees with what you claim is the one and only true interpretation about eternal suffering.

I’ll wait and see.

Originally posted by @divegeester
Eternal predestination is in the bible, do you believe in that?

its in the Bible - I believe it BUT there may be some interesting things to chat around this topic - maybe in another thread?

Originally posted by @nicksten
because I can 😉

You’re coming across as a bit of a disengenuous twit.

Originally posted by @nicksten
I would have loved to say "Jesus Culture" but yes you're right, we're n the same cult that is for sure. dj2becker - you want to help out here?

Yes dj2becker, do you want to “help” Nicksten out here.

Originally posted by @fmf
The concept of Annihilation cannot be said to be "outside the Bible".

The article at wikipedia cites these scriptural references:

Hebrews 10:26-27 NLT Hellfire will consume the wicked.

2 Peter 3:7 Ungodly will be destroyed.

Romans 2:7 God will make only righteous immortal.

Genesis 3:19 We came from dust and to dust we will return.

Psalm 146:4 ...[text shortened]... fire. And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire."

So writes "No regurgitating! No regurgitating!"

FMF: Were you in the same cult when you were younger?

Originally posted by @nicksten
I would have loved to say "Jesus Culture" but yes you're right, we're n the same cult that is for sure. dj2becker - you want to help out here?

If you don't know what I'm referring to, just say so. There's no need to be disingenuous. I don't know of any poster here, including me - aside from perhaps sonhouse - who thinks of Christianity as being a "cult".

Originally posted by @nicksten
its in the Bible - I believe it BUT there may be some interesting things to chat around this topic - maybe in another thread?

Is that a yes you do believe in eternal predestination, or a no you don’t believe in predestination?

Originally posted by @sonship
So writes "No regurgitating! No regurgitating!"

I am not a believer. I am not a proponent of Annihilationism. It is not my ideology. So how can I be seen as regurgitating?

Do you think those particular verses might be useful to a Christian who'd never heard of the concept of Annihilation? If there are some that I missed out, please add them.

Originally posted by @nicksten
No why would we want to be each other? dj2becker is just as awesome as I am.
We just believe in the very same thing 😉 well - at least I believe so dj2becker?

Bump for dj2becker, do you believe eternal suffering is true, like Nicksten does?

Originally posted by @sonship
The moral issue is tied up in the nature of God.

You have admitted, in this thread, that you would not personally burn someone alive for rejecting you. Clearly you personally do not find god’s action moral and yet here you are now a few days and manny pages later telling us that the moral issue is tied up (whatever that means) with the nature of god. It is clear to me that you, like Nicksten, do not agree at all with this aspect of the nature of your version of God but are in fact....just following orders.

Originally posted by @nicksten
well then you're "against".

2 questions:

Do you believe in Santa Claus?

If not:

Are you 'against Santa Claus?' (Have a good think about that).

Originally posted by @divegeester
You have admitted, in this thread, that you would not personally burn someone alive for rejecting you. Clearly you personally do not find god’s action moral and yet here you are now a few days and manny pages later telling us that the moral issue is tied up (whatever that means) with the nature of god. It is clear to me that you, like Nicksten, do not a ...[text shortened]... with this aspect of the nature of your version of God but are in fact....just following orders.

You have admitted, in this thread, that you would not personally burn someone alive for rejecting you.

I can't see myself wanting to burn practically anyone.
There is nothing new in this. And certainly not for rejecting me as if I was the embodiment of the universal standard of goodness and rightness.

You have virtually admitted that you don't want to give honest answers to my seven questions.

Clearly you personally do not find god’s action moral

No, this is your spin.
What I would do and what God has and would do are not the same.

I have not the authority, the holiness, the power, the love for that matter OF righteousness, nor the omniscience to be infallible as to details, nor absolute knowledge of circumstantial factors.

Yes I am created in the image of God, as you and everyone else here. But we are fallen. And some of us are in the process of being sanctified, conformed, transformed into the image of Christ the Firstborn Son of God.

By the time of the millennium some saints of Christ will judge angels. Some will judge other humans apparently. I don't know if this involves executions.

Originally posted by @fmf
If you don't know what I'm referring to, just say so. There's no need to be disingenuous. I don't know of any poster here, including me - aside from perhaps sonhouse - who thinks of Christianity as being a "cult".

Disingenuous? Seriously? Where what how?

"Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? ... Do you not know that we will judge angels, not to mention things of this life?" (1 Cor. 6:2a,3)

You have tacitly admitted that you would rather dodge my seven questions and heap on more spin of attacks.

Why don't you give a crack at the seven questions with some honesty?

]and yet here you are now a few days and manny pages later telling us that the moral issue is tied up (whatever that means) with the nature of god.

If you have some good point, I don't see it.
Believing that God will conduct a last judgment is NOT the Christian saying "Give me any hypothetical case now. And I will show you exactly HOW God will judge."

Pointed questions of the nature "What about THIS case sonship? What about THAT case sonship?"

These can be the skeptic trying to force me to conduct the last judgment when that is not my task to do so.
But that there IS a last judgment, I am justified to believe.

And what general principles God reveals about that last judgment I am also justified to believe.

Give me your seven honest replies to my seven questions.