Originally posted by @divegeester"Perfect justice" is what it is. I believe in God and do not for a second question what the Bible says about these things. If God is saying that that is the way we'll be punished for our sins, then that is it.
I had not asked you before, but that is irrelevant.
Im not talking about judgment I’m talking about the punishment; I have noticed how you hellfire-torture supporters always conflate the two. I’m talking about the PUNISHMENT fitting the crime, not gods judiciary judgment.
It is interesting how you, sonship (and Becker I believe) hold the punishm ...[text shortened]... ds it to be moral. In fact sonship calls it “perfect justice”.
It’s quite revolting actually.
Do I honestly believe someone should burn in hell for eternity for being a liar, no I don't, BUT then again, it is not I who am doing to judging but God. If God is just and fair (like I said before) then the punishment fits the crime, that is, eternal suffering for being a liar.
None of us have stood before God yet - none of us knows this process, but what is said is that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that He is Lord.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukemmm yeah right I thought so.
Not to my questions...
(I put it down to atheist anxiety).
11 Jan 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterI have a point...
I find the frivolity from those posters who claim to believe that torturing people for eternity is morally acceptable to be quite revolting.
@ divegeester - do you have children / grand children
Originally posted by @divegeesterCorrection, not "my" problem.
Therein lies your problem; never questioning what you have been spoon-fed for years.
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Originally posted by @nickstenYou have still not challenged the OP which says that your belief in eternal suffering is nonsensical.
mmm yeah right I thought so.
You and sonship both admit that for each of you it is amoral to burn someone for rejecting you and yet you also claim that it is morally acceptable for good to do it.
There it is then...it is nonsensical.
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Originally posted by @nickstenBut it is your problem in this thread.
Correction, not "my" problem.
The OP is challenging you to make sense to the rest of us of your horrendous beliefs and you are failing to do so.
Telling us "it's in the Bible so I believe" it is a piss poor rational for believing something as horrible as this and does not bring any measure of sense to it.is
11 Jan 18
Originally posted by @divegeester*sigh... I did say I have a point before I asked you that question.
What is the purpose of asking me personal information?
Maybe you don't have kids, then my point can't be made any way - I'll think of something else then.
Originally posted by @nickstenThe torturer god ideology most commonly propagated by Christians here is not about punishment for "sins" - they don't believe that happens to Christians - the torturer god ideology they talk about is punishment by non-stop burning for lack of belief, i.e. not being Christians. Nothing to do with "sins". For that, many simply declare themselves "forgiven".
If God is saying that that is the way we'll be punished for our sins, then that is it.
11 Jan 18
Originally posted by @sonshipDo you think those the verses I provided are the most useful ones to a Christian who's never heard of Annihilation? If I've missed some out, you can add them. It would add value to the discourseI am not a believer. I am not a proponent of Annihilationism. It is not my ideology. So how can I be seen as regurgitating?
You reached back into your good memory or with the aid of some books, and you regurgitated.
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Do you think those particular verses might be useful to a Christian who'd never heard of the concept of Annih ...[text shortened]... icule.
Don't look now but you just showed off how WELL old FMF can do too, everybody!
11 Jan 18
Originally posted by @sonshipNo you are wrong. I thought you knew; I use the word "regurgitate" here in much the same way as George Orwell used the word "duckspeak". Me providing Nicksten with some Bible verses was not "duckspeak", far from it.
I use regurgitate the way you used it on me.
Originally posted by @fmfGod said in Revelation 3:16 "So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth."
The torturer god ideology most commonly propagated by Christians here is not about punishment for "sins" - they don't believe that happens to Christians - the torturer god ideology they talk about is punishment by non-stop burning for lack of belief, i.e. not being Christians. Nothing to do with "sins". For that many simply declare themselves "forgiven".
I will consider a person who believes in God, the Son and Holy Spirit and who consider themselves Christians as HOT and a person who has not heard about God, the Son and Holy Spirit as COLD.
I do not believe HOT and or COLD people will be punished (as from the above scripture), it's those who are lukewarm that have heard the gospel and do nothing about it.
You can be HOT and turn lukewarm. You can be COLD and turn lukewarm.
The Bible is clear on this as well...
"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. "
Originally posted by @nickstenIt's funny how you try your quotes from Revelation on a non-believer ~ and one who thinks the book you are citing is ludicrous ~ and yet you don't try them on the Christians - on this forum - to whom I was referring in the post of mine you are replying too.
God said in Revelation 3:16 "So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth."
I will consider a person who believes in God, the Son and Holy Spirit and who consider themselves Christians as HOT and a person who has not heard about God, the Son and Holy Spirit as COLD.
I do not believe HOT and or COLD people wi ...[text shortened]... will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. "