12 Jan 18
Originally posted by @fmfI have already made my answer clear on this on when I posted the lukewarm scripture, which is not pointed directly to non Christians, but everyone, Christian or not.
I think you just being disingenuous yet again. There are annihilation ideology and Once Saved Always Saved Christians posting on this thread and yet here you are, strutting your dissenting torturer god ideology, not to them, but to a non-believer.
12 Jan 18
Originally posted by @nickstenWell, you strike me as a person who has disingenuousness as his default setting. This is based not just on this swingby, but previous times you were here.
I actually believe that I gave you my answer but also get that you will never be happy with any answer. You always make it sound that I'm not giving you any answers.
12 Jan 18
Originally posted by @nickstenWhat deterrent or persuasion effect do you think your notions about non-believers being burned for their lack of belief have on non-believers?
I have already made my answer clear on this on when I posted the lukewarm scripture, which is not pointed directly to non Christians, but everyone, Christian or not.
12 Jan 18
Originally posted by @fmfAs predicted - not happy with my answer. At least I can't be angry for knowing what was going to happen next.
Well, you strike me as a person who has disingenuousness as his default setting. This is based not just on this swingby, but previous times you were here.
12 Jan 18
Originally posted by @fmfWell I guess it all depends on how persuasive the person is towards such a message. In the end the effect this has scares them. But then, it obviously doesn't scare you as you know for a fact that God doesn't exist, so why be scared. Right?
What deterrent or persuasion effect do you think your notions about non-believers being burned for their lack of belief have on non-believers?
12 Jan 18
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Originally posted by @fmfSo do I FMF, but my response is always "indigenous" according to you, as if your answers are superior to mine. Wow the big FMF has to approve answers based on the FMF faith.
You said: "You always make it sound that I'm not giving you any answers". I gave you my honest take on it.
Edit: not like you really actually answer my questions either.
12 Jan 18
Originally posted by @nickstenI am not talking about how impressive or unimpressive the Christian is. I am talking about the notion of torture as a punishment itself. If the supposed deterrent has no effect on people who don't believe it's real, then what is its purpose? Is it just something for believers to think about?
Well I guess it all depends on how persuasive the person is towards such a message. In the end the effect this has scares them. But then, it obviously doesn't scare you as you know for a fact that God doesn't exist, so why be scared. Right?
12 Jan 18
Originally posted by @nickstenThere's no need to pout. I said nothing about anybody being "indigenous". Each time your posts seemed to me to be you pretending not to know or understand something, I told you point-blank. Make of it what you will.
So do I FMF, but my response is always "indigenous" according to you, as if your answers are superior to mine. Wow the big FMF has to approve answers based on the FMF faith.
12 Jan 18
Originally posted by @nickstenWhat would be the moral justification, in your mind, for your god figure torturing me [as opposed to just letting me die] for not being a Christian and not believing he exists ~ or for being a Hindu or a Sikh [if I were one] etc.? It's a fair question I think: it's essentially what the thread topic is.
... [the threat of eternal torture] obviously doesn't scare you as you know for a fact that God doesn't exist, so why be scared. Right?
12 Jan 18
Originally posted by @fmfI think you answered the question yourself.
I am not talking about how impressive or unimpressive the Christian is. I am talking about the notion of torture as a punishment itself. If the supposed deterrent has no effect on people who don't believe it's real, then what is its purpose? Is it just something for believers to think about?
In the end, if you don't believe it is real then you have nothing to worry about. Then "eternal suffering" is nonsensical as divegeester posted. Also, agreed, the punishment doesn't fit the crime, I mean seriously. When you die its the end of the road and thats the end of it.
BUT, only a fool will believe that.
12 Jan 18
Originally posted by @nickstenBUT, only a fool will believe that.
I think you answered the question yourself.
In the end, if you don't believe it is real then you have nothing to worry about. Then "eternal suffering" is nonsensical as divegeester posted. Also, agreed, the punishment doesn't fit the crime, I mean seriously. When you die its the end of the road and thats the end of it.
BUT, only a fool will believe that.
Why would "only a fool" believe something different from the things you believe which you are unable to prove are true or real but are simply things which you personally think are convincing?
Why does the gap between what you think is convincing and what I think is convincing make me a "fool"?: In all my years here I have never called a Christian a "fool" for having Christian beliefs.
12 Jan 18
Originally posted by @fmfPsalms 14:1
[b]BUT, only a fool will believe that.
Why would "only a fool" believe something different from the things you believe which you are unable to prove are true or real but are simply things which you personally think are convincing?
Why does the gap between what you think is convincing and what I think is convincing make me a "fool"?: In all my years here I have never called a Christian a "fool" for having Christian beliefs.[/b]
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.