‘Eternal suffering’ is nonsensical

Originally posted by @nicksten
God said in Revelation 3:16 "So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth."

I will consider a person who believes in God, the Son and Holy Spirit and who consider themselves Christians as HOT and a person who has not heard about God, the Son and Holy Spirit as COLD.

I do not believe HOT and or COLD people wi ...[text shortened]... will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. "

So lukewarm people, those who have heard the gospel and did nothing about it as you say, these will be tormented for all eternity. Am I reading you right?

Originally posted by @nicksten
God said in Revelation 3:16 "So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth."

I will consider a person who believes in God, the Son and Holy Spirit and who consider themselves Christians as HOT and a person who has not heard about God, the Son and Holy Spirit as COLD.

I do not believe HOT and or COLD people wi ...[text shortened]... will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. "

You throw these scriptures out as though they are magic spells designed to somehow protect you from the onslaught of disgust at your belief.

Originally posted by @nicksten
Correction, not "my" problem.

Not your problem but it is your situation. The bottom line is you are one of the duped, duped by the man made scam of religion.

A god could just as easily say what is what to each and every human in their own language at the same time if it is omniscient. But what we actually have is some human pronouncing themselves the speaker of god and gullible humans fall for it hook line and sinker and now billions of people follow the same scam. A billion people following a scam does not all of a sudden turn it into a real religion caused by a god.

Originally posted by @divegeester

You throw these scriptures out as though they are magic spells designed to somehow protect you from the onslaught of disgust at your belief.

But when are you going to turn that barbed insight into answering these seven questions I ask about Luke 12:5 ?

" But I will tell show you whom you should fear, fear Him who after killing, has authority to cast into Gehenna; yes, I tell you, fear this One. " (Luke 12:5)


1.) Is this a saying of Jesus about where fear should be placed ?

2.) Does the teaching teach that God can no nothing more to a man than other men can do ?

3.) Does the teaching convey that after a man had done his worst to another man, God has the power and authority to do even more?

4.) Does the teaching teach that physical death -
"killing" puts a man forever beyond the possibility of him being further harmed by God, should God desire to harm?

5.) Does the phrase "after killing" convey God's punishment can only be carried out on the physically living?

6.) Does the teaching prove that only by keeping a man from being killed can God punish him ?

7.) Does the burden of Jesus seem to be that we love the teaching or just that we believe the teaching ?

Your clear and eloquent analysis could come in handy now.
Help us reconsider, if we need to, what Jesus Christ meant here.

Originally posted by @sonship
[But when are you going to turn that barbed insight into answering these seven questions I ask about Luke 12:4,5 ?

As soon as you answer the years old questions from me which you’ve been avoiding.



Edit: besides my post was addressed to Nicksten.

Originally posted by @divegeester
As soon as you answer the years old questions from me which you’ve been avoiding.



Edit: besides my post was addressed to Nicksten.

As soon as you answer the years old questions from me which you’ve been avoiding.

I think you dare not answer them because the intent of Christ's teaching is too clear.

Move the goalpost as you wish.
Its obvious to all.
That much twisting to make Luke 12:5 say the opposite of what it says, you cannot come up with.

Originally posted by @sonship
I think you dare not answer them because the intent of Christ's teaching is too clear.

Move the goalpost as you wish.
Its obvious to all.
That much twisting to make Luke 12:5say the opposite of what it says, you cannot come up with.

Have you been drinking sonship?

Originally posted by @sonship

You throw these scriptures out as though they are magic spells designed to somehow protect you from the onslaught of disgust at your belief.

But when are you going to turn that barbed insight into answering these seven questions I ask about [b]Luke 12:5 ?

[quote] " But I will tell show you whom you should fear, fear Him who ...[text shortened]... ysis could come in handy now.
Help us reconsider, if we need to, what Jesus Christ meant here.

If you have no objection I could answer these questions, but what Im not understanding is what relevance is it to the fundamental question of eternal torment.

1.) Is this a saying of Jesus about where fear should be placed ?
Yes, Fear God
2.) Does the teaching teach that God can no nothing more to a man than other men can do ?
No
3.) Does the teaching convey that after a man had done his worst to another man, God has the power and authority to do even more?
Yes
4.) Does the teaching teach that physical death -
"killing" puts a man forever beyond the possibility of him being further harmed by God, should God desire to harm?
No
5.) Does the phrase "after killing" convey God's punishment can only be carried out on the physically living?
No
6.) Does the teaching prove that only by keeping a man from being killed can God punish him ?
No
7.) Does the burden of Jesus seem to be that we love the teaching or just that we believe the teaching ?
No comprende

What is your point. God is able to destroy beyond the death of the body.

Originally posted by @fmf
It's funny how you try your quotes from Revelation on a non-believer ~ and one who thinks the book you are citing is ludicrous ~ and yet you don't try them on the Christians - on this forum - to whom I was referring in the post of mine you are replying too.

Look - I truly believe the Bible is the truth, it's the Word of God and it contains the correct message to all the people. Why you'd think I would use any other means for any of my arguments is beyond me.

The truth is this... Our arguments in all the years to come will always run around in circles. I will always provide scripture from the Bible whether you like it or not and whether you believe it or not. And you will always taunt, make fun, ask understandable questions, call me names and try make me believe the Bible is false and God doesn't exist and probably more.

Originally posted by @divegeester
You throw these scriptures out as though they are magic spells designed to somehow protect you from the onslaught of disgust at your belief.

See my response to FMF

Originally posted by @nicksten
Look - I truly believe the Bible is the truth, it's the Word of God and it contains the correct message to all the people. Why you'd think I would use any other means for any of my arguments is beyond me.

The truth is this... Our arguments in all the years to come will always run around in circles. I will always provide scripture from the Bible whethe ...[text shortened]... all me names and try make me believe the Bible is false and God doesn't exist and probably more.

A reply from you that actually addressed what I put to you would have been more interesting.

Originally posted by @sonhouse
Not your problem but it is your situation. The bottom line is you are one of the duped, duped by the man made scam of religion.

A god could just as easily say what is what to each and every human in their own language at the same time if it is omniscient. But what we actually have is some human pronouncing themselves the speaker of god and gullible hum ...[text shortened]... n people following a scam does not all of a sudden turn it into a real religion caused by a god.

And your proof that Christianity was man made?

Originally posted by @fmf
A reply from you that actually addressed what I put to you would have been more interesting.

And there we go in a circle again 🙂

Originally posted by @nicksten
And there we go in a circle again 🙂

I think you just being disingenuous yet again. There are annihilation ideology and Once Saved Always Saved Christians posting on this thread and yet here you are, strutting your dissenting torturer god ideology, not to them, but to a non-believer.

Originally posted by @fmf
A reply from you that actually addressed what I put to you would have been more interesting.

I actually believe that I gave you my answer but also get that you will never be happy with any answer. You always make it sound that I'm not giving you any answers.