‘Eternal suffering’ is nonsensical

Originally posted by @divegeester
I guess we can all go look for it there then huh?

I posted the Hebrews’ verses so you don’t have far to look. I think it’s clear while Jesus was on earth, He was not equal to God as He had been prior to his becoming fully man and fully God.

Originally posted by @romans1009
I posted the Hebrews’ verses do you don’t have far to look. I think it’s clear while Jesus was on earth, He was not equal to God as He had been prior to his becoming fully man and fully God.

This was the question you were asked:

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
When Jesus cried out to God on the cross, was that also a rhetorical device?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
What satisfaction do you get from spreading slanderous lies?

That's the real question.

It’s his way to avoid trying to debate substance where the deficient gray matter in his noggin would be revealed. Look at how he responded to my posting of the Hebrews verses. He obviously can’t think of anything substantive to say so he resorts to being a smart aleck. If he would just set aside his foolish pride and allow himself to be educated, he might have a noggin he could be proud of.

Originally posted by @divegeester
This was the question you were asked:

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
When Jesus cried out to God on the cross, was that also a rhetorical device?

And I answered that, sweetie. I myself don’t endorse that view and never said I did. I was simply pointing out what can be found in some Biblical commentaries.
Now proceed to ask me the same question 500 times because you can’t think of anything else to say. That’s one of the more blunt and least effective tools in your trolling toolbox.

Originally posted by @romans1009
And I answered that, sweetie. I myself don’t endorse that view and never said I did. I was simply pointing out what can be found in some Biblical commentaries.
Now proceed to ask me the same question 500 times because you can’t think of anything else to say. That’s one of the more blunt and least effective tools in your trolling toolbox.

You seem upset.

Originally posted by @divegeester
You seem upset.

Not upset at all. I’m sure as a troll that your goal is to upset people but you best try someone else. Your posts were never informative or educated, but they at least had some entertainment value in the past. Now they’re just boring.

Originally posted by @romans1009
Your posts were never informative or educated, but they at least had some entertainment value in the past. Now they’re just boring.

In the past when?

We have only been communicating for a few days, you’ve only been here a few days. So you claim....

Originally posted by @divegeester
- Jesus knocking on the door of a sinners heart calls out: “let me in”

- Sinner replies: “why?”

- Jesus persists: “so I can save you”

- Sinner is inquisitive: “save me from what?”

- Jesus closes: “from what I’ll do to you in hell if you don’t let me in”

😕

After being asked by the OP... I will respond.

Let me preface this simply, though. In Orthodoxy, we do not believe in treating these topics too rigorously and as if they are so set. In the East, we have more faith in the concept of the Mystery...

That is to say, the nature of the Final Judgment is not said to be known. You can find many Orthodox who believe that, on the Final Judgment, God will reveal Himself as Light before everyone. The Light will burn the sinners, and the Light will burn the saved alike, but they are saved because they recognize it as "Love" while the others will recognize it only as Fire. How is this followed up by people? It's hard to say.

I subscribe a lot to a Russian Orthodox tradition and have ties to ROCOR folks and so I favored the Michael Pomazansky classical Russian Orthodox explanation of an eternal hell that occurs after the Final Judgment and is reserved for sinners. Pomazansky notes that we have no reason to believe that it is pure symbolism and not true. However, he also notes that perhaps an eternity, as used in the Bible, is not an actual eternity. I know that my father once told me the belief that, at some point, the souls are annihilated and the only people remaining in the eternal fire are Satan and the Anti-Christ.

I am also familiar with Justin Martyr who suggested that a significant amount of people do not have a culpability significant enough to enter into hell and would instead simply enter limbo and eventually reach destruction. This was before much of the 'doctrine' and 'dogma' was set about these things. I wonder if ti si true.

So... I insist that this should generally remain as a mystery.

With that in mind:

(1) Christ does not send people to hell. Their own actions are what send them to hell. Free will exists.

(2) It would be an injustice to not send some people to hell... The justice at the Final Judgment is that the righteous who have been slandered have their names restored or their names otherwise glorified for the truth that was within them.

And that the evil are punished, and that the truth behind them is also known.

It is a just balancing. You can't simply let everyone slip into heaven.

Not sure if this specifically addresses the concept of eternity but to me... I am not so unrelenting on the topic, btu I have no reason to advance a teaching that denies the eternal nature of it.

Originally posted by @jacob-verville
After being asked by the OP... I will respond.

Let me preface this simply, though. In Orthodoxy, we do not believe in treating these topics too rigorously and as if they are so set. In the East, we have more faith in the concept of the Mystery...

That is to say, the nature of the Final Judgment is not said to be known. You can find many Ortho ...[text shortened]... g on the topic, btu I have no reason to advance a teaching that denies the eternal nature of it.

I asked you pages and pages ago if you believed in eternal suffering, do you?

Originally posted by @jacob-verville
Christ does not send people to hell. Their own actions are what send them to hell. Free will exists.

Isn't this like saying, the state of Texas does not execute people for capital crimes; perpetrators of those sorts of crimes execute themselves.

Do you not believe that the supernatural 'facility' commonly called "hell" was created for a specific purpose by your god figure?

Originally posted by @divegeester
In the past when?

We have only been communicating for a few days, you’ve only been here a few days. So you claim....

LOL.

I knew that’d get you going🙂

Originally posted by @romans1009
LOL.

I knew that’d get you going🙂

Yes I’ve been zinged by your amazing intellect.

Originally posted by @jacob-verville
It would be an injustice to not send some people to hell...

... You can't simply let everyone slip into heaven.

Do you have any biblical scripture to support your post, especially this piece?

Originally posted by @divegeester
Do you have any biblical scripture to support your post, especially this piece?

Try Revelation 22:15.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Try Revelation 22:15.

Yeah, I was just about to say that. Oh wait a minute. I did say it.