‘Eternal suffering’ is nonsensical

Originally posted by @fmf
You have asked me this countless times. I discussed it with you, to the extent I wished to, several times, but you kept asking about it over and over and over again and claiming that we hadn't discussed it. I eventually stopped bothering and started to respond, instead, by simply stating that my answer hadn't changed and that I feel no reason to repeat myself. That is my response on this occasion too.

The trollbox (thanks Freaky) has been taken out again it seems. 😴

Originally posted by @dj2becker
And you were a Christian for decades until you succumbed to doubt. Interestingly enough you cannot seem to point out what it is exactly that made your faith crumble.

“And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;

And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.”

(Matthew 13:3-8)

“Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.“

(Matthew 13:18-23)

Originally posted by @romans1009
Because salvation and grace are not based, as you claimed, on “stuff you have to think in order to get it.”

Oh yes they are. You have to think that Jesus died - and really rose from the dead - to "forgive" you for your "sins"; you have to think there is the "grace" thing you mentioned and you must think it is real; and you have to think that thinking these things gives you "salvation" and makes you "saved".

Originally posted by @dj2becker
The trollbox (thanks Freaky) has been taken out again it seems. 😴

Try the Hitler quote on me again, why not? Much more disinhibited than citing FreakyKBH.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Love God and your neighbour as yourself AND Love for God is demonstrated by love for others.

Love for God is NOT demonstrated by profession of faith. That is mouth worship which you are promoting.

Those were the two commandments? I remember different wording.

Where you and I seem to disagree is you want to divorce God from being the driving force behind good works and instead want to hog all the credit for yourself.

I guess we also disagree on how salvation is obtained. Unless I’m mixing you up with another poster, you again want to divorce God from the equation so you can think your own effort will get you into heaven. I know it’s faith in Christ that accomplishes that.

Your pride and need to puff out your chest are not compatible with the humility that God seeks in His creation.

Originally posted by @fmf
Oh yes they are. You have to think that Jesus died - and really rose from the dead - to "forgive" you for your "sins"; you have to think there is the "grace" thing you mentioned and you must think it is real; and you have to think that thinking these things gives you "salvation" and makes you "saved".

A conviction comes from the heart it is not merely something you think.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Those who follow Christ commandments are in the right standing with God.
Those who profess their faith are not necessarily in the right standing with God.
It is only when they begin to live righteously and do good works are they in the right standing with God.

You’re promoting a “works-based” salvation which goes against the New Testament, but so be it. Your good works and $2.40 will get you a cup of coffee but not much else.

But if you’ve accepted Christ as your Lord and Saviour, you have obtained salvation.

Originally posted by @fmf
Oh yes they are. You have to think that Jesus died - and really rose from the dead - to "forgive" you for your "sins"; you have to think there is the "grace" thing you mentioned and you must think it is real; and you have to think that thinking these things gives you "salvation" and makes you "saved".

Believing something in your heart is not the same as thinking it.

Originally posted by @romans1009
Believing something in your heart is not the same as thinking it.

Your poetic words notwithstanding, Romans1009, for all intents and purposes, it is. The heart is an organ that pumps blood.

Originally posted by @romans1009
You’re promoting a “works-based” salvation which goes against the New Testament, but so be it. Your good works and $2.40 will get you a cup of coffee but not much else.

But if you’ve accepted Christ as your Lord and Saviour, you have obtained salvation.

Jesus never once said anything about 'works-based' salvation. You are full of nonsensical church dogma.

Jesus said to do good works and condemned mouth worship. Nobody gets anything with accepting Christ alone.

The requirements for entry into the Kingdom of God is good works and righteousness.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
A conviction comes from the heart it is not merely something you think.

Your poetic words notwithstanding, dj2becker, for all intents and purposes, it is. The heart is an organ that pumps blood.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Jesus never once said anything about 'works-based' salvation. You are full of nonsensical church dogma.

Jesus said to do good works and condemned mouth worship. Nobody gets anything with accepting Christ alone.

The requirements for entry into the Kingdom of God is good works and righteousness.

You accept that word recorded in the Bible that Jesus spoke why exactly? Because somehow only they are divinely inspired by the rest aren't?

Originally posted by @fmf
Your poetic words notwithstanding, for all intents it is. Most certainly so. The heart is an organ that pumps blood.

From whence springeth love?

From whence springeth appreciation of a beautiful sunset?

From whence springeth awe at the nighttime sky and vastness of space?

When two lovers are apart, does the brain yearn for the other?

Originally posted by @rajk999
Jesus never once said anything about 'works-based' salvation. You are full of nonsensical church dogma.

Jesus said to do good works and condemned mouth worship. Nobody gets anything with accepting Christ alone.

The requirements for entry into the Kingdom of God is good works and righteousness.

You’re incorrect, my friend. You’re divorcing God from the equation because you want to puff out your chest.

God does not like human pride, and human pride is at the root of how you think salvation is obtained.

“I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”

(Galatians 2:21)

Originally posted by @romans1009
You’re incorrect, my friend. You’re divorcing God from the equation because you want to puff out your chest.

God does not like human pride, and human pride is at the root of how you think salvation is obtained.

“I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”

(Galatians 2:21)

You are quoting Paul because you dont even know what Jesus said.
You are not one of the sheep of Christ.
You are not a follower of Christ
You cannot hear Christ voice and follow him.

Oh .. we are not friends.
Sheep are not friends with goats.