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Originally posted by @rajk999You’ve got a lot of hate in your heart and that certainly is not evidence of one who is righteous (in right standing with God.)
What do you think happened to the professed believers of God, the Priest and Levite ?
What do you think happened to the Good Samaritan. who did not even know of Christ.
The former are mouth worshippers, and are the goats
The latter is the sheep of Christ and will enter the kingdom of God.
Looking after someone else's mother is good works. The fact t ...[text shortened]... badly screwed up church going goat, lost and going nowhere.
Ok Im done. Got some work to do.
Your presumption to judge who will go to heaven and hell and your condemnation of fellow Christians because they don’t subscribe to your false doctrine are evidence of sinful pride.
I note you did not respond to my query about whether you believe Jesus is the Son of God (unless you did so as I was typing this.) If you haven’t responded to that query, please do when you have a chance.
In the meantime, this parable may help you to understand how your condemnation of other people is not indicative of one who follows Christ.
“And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.“
(Luke 18:9-14)
06 Feb 18
Alright, I will likewise note that you are unwilling to talk about the plenty of other Biblical texts where Christ Himself speaks about hell and instead pretend that literally all theological positions on hell have to be based on a Biblical passage not about hell.
How does that make any sense, Dive?
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Originally posted by @divegeesterI responded to this assertion by way of an analogy and question which I suspect you will not address but I will repost it later
I note that you are unable to reconcile eternal torture by Jesus with John 3:16 and instead prefer to metaphorically shrug your shoulders and decide to simply accept it irrespective of the incoherence of it and its abominable narrative.
My OP is a clear representation of the incongruence and incoherence of this eternal suffering teaching - Jesus won' ...[text shortened]... d you an anathema and your medieval torturing god figure to be a sleight on the name of my Lord.
06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterYou just referred to someone who has a classical, Orthodox, unchanged view of Christ that has been established as common doctrine since Origen was denounced at the 5th Ecumenical Council as being anathema.
I find you Christians who accept this teaching, who stand by it, who propagate it... I find you an anathema and your medieval torturing god figure to be a sleight on the name of my Lord.
That is pretty wild when you think about it, brah.
06 Feb 18
BY THE WAY: this is as good of a place to post it as any, but I think that I might ask for a name change away from my current, real name to something that is just a casual username. So, if my name changes, you will understand why.
However, I am not positive on what the timeline is like for this.
I figure that I should be forthright about it because if I don't someone will come up with some story about how this is a character flaw.
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What, in your view, would be the proper dispensation for a human being who died in his or her sins, whose sins had not been forgiven?
It seems you do not agree with the concept of justice and a just God and are also ignoring the mercy that accompanies it,
If a man who committed a series of crimes appeared before a judge, should the judge not declare him guilty if he is guilty?
But what if the judge pronounced him guilty but then offered not only to suspend his sentence but to give him a home filled with peace and love?
And instead of accepting that offer, the criminal said, “No! I want the punishment. I reject the suspended sentence and offer of a home filled with peace and love.”
Would you blame the judge for the man’s imprisonment?
06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @jacob-verville"Send Feedback" at the bottom of your screen.
BY THE WAY: this is as good of a place to post it as any, but I think that I might ask for a name change away from my current, real name to something that is just a casual username. So, if my name changes, you will understand why.
However, I am not positive on what the timeline is like for this.
I figure that I should be forthright about it because if I don't someone will come up with some story about how this is a character flaw.
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06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009I take it you are a believer in the eternal suffering doctrine? If you don't answer this question unequivocally in your next post here, then I will not converse with you on the topic - just to be clear.
@divegeester
What, in your view, would be the proper dispensation for a human being who died in his or her sins, whose sins had not been forgiven?
It seems you do not agree with the concept of justice and a just God and are also ignoring the mercy that accompanies it,
If a man who committed a series of crimes appeared before a judge, should th ...[text shortened]... of a home filled with peace and love.”
Would you blame the judge for the man’s imprisonment?
I'm not really interested in your scenario, not begin rude, I just don't think it adds anything. The scenario in play is the one in my OP and which demonstrates to ridiculousness of this teaching, without even touching on the moral brokenness of it.
06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleSpeaking of which, what about halfway down page 29 of Thread 175773?
I figure that I should be forthright about it because if I don't someone will come up with some story about how this is a character flaw.
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Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleI'm not interested in your religious CV
You just referred to someone who has a classical, Orthodox, unchanged view of Christ that has been established as common doctrine since Origen was denounced at the 5th Ecumenical Council as being anathema.
That is pretty wild when you think about it, brah.
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06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleI think you have certainly shat in your own nest, that's for sure. However I would caution about a name change unless you intend to completely change your positing style as you will be recognised.
BY THE WAY: this is as good of a place to post it as any, but I think that I might ask for a name change away from my current, real name to something that is just a casual username. So, if my name changes, you will understand why.
However, I am not positive on what the timeline is like for this.
I figure that I should be forthright about it because if I don't someone will come up with some story about how this is a character flaw.
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06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleAny scripture you present on it is irrelevant; it won't happen, the teaching is wrong and morally bankrupt.
Alright, I will likewise note that you are unwilling to talk about the plenty of other Biblical texts where Christ Himself speaks about hell and instead pretend that literally all theological positions on hell have to be based on a Biblical passage not about hell.
How does that make any sense, Dive?
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Originally posted by @romans1009What about dj2becker's view [posted when he was using the screen name Fetchmyjunk] that if Adolf Eichmann, one of the major organizers of the Holocaust, had repented on his deathbed, he could have been "saved"? I'm not going to go find the quote for you and I'm sure that dj2becker will confirm that it is his belief, but going on how I have described it, do you agree?
So if Adolf Hitler shoveled snow from his neighbor’s sidewalk when he was 9 years old, Jesus granted him eternal life and made him one of his sheep? And when Hitler started killing Jews, Jesus just threw up His hands?
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Originally posted by @divegeesterI think the response to the sinner’s question, “Save me ftom what?” would more accurately be, “Dying in your sins.”
- Jesus knocking on the door of a sinners heart calls out: “let me in”
- Sinner replies: “why?”
- Jesus persists: “so I can save you”
- Sinner is inquisitive: “save me from what?”
- Jesus closes: “from what I’ll do to you in hell if you don’t let me in”
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06 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009"Dying"? Do you subscribe to Annihilationism then?
I think the response to the sinner’s question, “Save me ftom what?” would more accurately be, “Dying in your sins.”