Originally posted by poundleeYou not only won't give them any credit, but you're also afraid to even let them play a BCS Conference Champion. Why? According to you they'll just get killed like Utah did in 2004 and Boise State did last year.
Yeah Hawaii or anyone would get a lot of credit if they went undefeated including winning at Florida. But unfortunately I can't give them credit in 2007 for an impressive 2008 schedule.
The point of showing you Hawaii's 2008 schedule and pointing out their 2006 schedule is to rebut the ridiculous claims being made here that Hawaii won't play any good teams.
It is silly to constantly defend the big ten but if you read this forum you'd think that they play deaf girl schools each week. Even if the Big 10 is down a lot of people rank it ahead of the Big East. I think there is a good argument that Ohio State's schedule is tougher than West Virginia's. Last year Wisconsin by rule was denied a BCS game and the year Ohio State will be denied a chance to play for a National Championship. It happens but if any conference gets cheated year in year out it is the Big 10.
While Ohio State did not go to Texas as it did last year, Ohio State still plays Illinois, Wisconsin, Penn State and Michigan (all of which are certainly arguably better than anyone Kansas played before yesterday). While Kansas had no losses unti yesterday, it did not seem to bother anyone that they played absolutely no one and were ranked second in the nation. Washington had a down year but I have no idea how 5 or more years ago Ohio State could know that when they make a schedule.
Some people are so convinced that certain teams like LSU (two losses) and Florida (three lossses) are great that they decide the Kentuckys and South Carolinas who occasionally beat that are better than they are. Then they turn around look at a team like Ohio state who lost one conference game in over two years and decide well they can't be better than an SEC team so the teams they play must stink.
Originally posted by poundleePlease read pages 1 and 2 of this thread which gives the data that proves the Big Ten is an inferior conference. Ohio State lost at home, struggled against Akron and in general has been unimpressive. West Virginia put 66 points on the board yesterday against a ranked team. With all that, OSU still will get into the BCS Championship game if Oklahoma beats Missouri in the Big 12 championship or if West Virginia gets shocked by Pitt. The Big Ten is getting cheated??? LMAO! Considering their miserable record in bowl games for the last 7 years, I say they're getting a major break.
It is silly to constantly defend the big ten but if you read this forum you'd think that they play deaf girl schools each week. Even if the Big 10 is down a lot of people rank it ahead of the Big East. I think there is a good argument that Ohio State's schedule is tougher than West Virginia's. Last year Wisconsin by rule was denied a BCS game and the yea ...[text shortened]... ars and decide well they can't be better than an SEC team so the teams they play must stink.
The rule limiting each conference to two (at most) teams in the BCS bowls is a good one. Diversity in the major bowls is a good thing and it's not like the third team in the BCS Conferences won't get a bowl game.
Originally posted by poundleeLast year, Hawaii played Alabama, Purdue, Oregon State and Arizona State all bowl teams from BCS automatic conferences. Hawaii wasn't as good last year as they are this year and went 2-2 against these teams which had a combined 31-23 record (so they were above average in their conferences). Colt Brennan's combined numbers in those 4 games were:
This is exactly why I would not let a team like hawaii play in a BCS game. Because all you say is huge sats for a quaterback who play against a super soft schedule then if they one one bowl game you actually believe they should be called the best team. I have mych more respect for teqams which play solid teams each week even if they actually lose a game or two than one who throws every down against terrible teams.
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Hawaii scored 132 points or an average of 33 points per game. Brennan would have "huge stats" in ANY conference.
Hawaii? They really are not very good. June Jones' offense also produced huge numbers in Atlanta with Chris Miller at quarterback. Who? Exactly. And the Falcons didn't win any meaningful games either.
Although I do believe the Rainbows are among maybe ten teams that should be in a playoff for the title. They would lose in the first round however.
Saying incorect things and the citing them as fact is just stupid.
(1) The big 10 was the best confernece last year. They would have been three teams in BCS games except for rules keeping them out. The fact that this year they are not again the best conference does not mean they are great.
(2) You only talk about the big 10s worst games. I never said the SEC stinks because Alabama loses to one of the 10 worst teams in D1 or the Pac 10 stinks because UCLA still bhas a mathematical chance to win the conference even though they lost to Notre Dame.
(3) The big 10 has an above .500 record against the SEC in head to head bowl games the last four to six years. Bowl games for Big 10 teams are always road games. The most unfair thing about college football is it gives a strong advantage to southern teams and Pacific teams. Until, teams like Florida, LSU and USC play big games in the Horse Shoe or the Big House it has to be noted that certain tems will only play bowl games close to home.
(4) West Vrginia is an offensive team so when they dominate a game the score will be far more lopsided then when a defensive team wins a game. People recognize this and voted LSU number one at two different points this season. I think the same applies to Ohio State. When Ohio State dominates a game they won't win by 50. Conneticut, Ruters is really the same sort of team Ohio State. I don't see any difference.
(5) If you are undefeated like Hawaii and computers and pollsters aren't impressed it is because there schedule is a joke. I think there zero first place votes say it all.
Originally posted by no1marauderThe only way to convince me WVU is better is to suite up, and I hope they get the chance!!! It is my impression that WVU is somewhat one demensional and their defense is suspect to say the least. I also do not agree that their division is better than the Big Ten. In fact, I will almost garuntee a Illinios vicotory in whatever bowl they play in and whoever they may face (unless it is an SEC team). They are a good team that barely beat OSU. Had it not been for the mistakes and turnovers by OSU and the fact that Illinois played a flawless game they would not have beaten OSU.
Please read pages 1 and 2 of this thread which gives the data that proves the Big Ten is an inferior conference. Ohio State lost at home, struggled against Akron and in general has been unimpressive. West Virginia put 66 points on the board yesterday against a ranked team. With all that, OSU still will get into the BCS Championship game if Oklahoma beats s a good thing and it's not like the third team in the BCS Conferences won't get a bowl game.
Originally posted by no1marauderGod! I actually agree with him.
One word: Michigan.
You lose to a non-division I squad AT HOME, then get smashed by Oregon AT HOME and then because you run off a winning streak against Big Ten patsies you rise to #12????? The clowns with the funny helmets have still only played two road games, against pathetic Northwestern (which lost to otherwise winless Duke AT HOME)and ...[text shortened]... f Arizona State wins this week at Oregon, they deserve #1.
Let the howling begin.
Originally posted by poundleeExcellent points.
It is silly to constantly defend the big ten but if you read this forum you'd think that they play deaf girl schools each week. Even if the Big 10 is down a lot of people rank it ahead of the Big East. I think there is a good argument that Ohio State's schedule is tougher than West Virginia's. Last year Wisconsin by rule was denied a BCS game and the yea ...[text shortened]... ars and decide well they can't be better than an SEC team so the teams they play must stink.
It is a crying shame that the National Championship game will be played by two weak teams from weak conferences.
Nobody in their right mind really thinks that either of these two would have finished higher than 3rd in the the Big Ten, Pac 10 or SEC North or South.
How come the whole PAC-10 doesn't stink to? It has two teams which lost to Notre Dame. One of them (Stanford) beat USC (the likely PAC-10 winner) the other UCLA is one of three teams who could possibly win the conference. Apparently, when discussing the Big 10 a lot of people do not need to use consistent criteria.
Originally posted by poundlee1) The Big Ten was the best conference last year?????????????????? LMAO!!!!!!! Their two best got positively creamed in the BCS and the conference has a whole went 2-5 in bowl games. You must be on drugs.
Saying incorect things and the citing them as fact is just stupid.
(1) The big 10 was the best confernece last year. They would have been three teams in BCS games except for rules keeping them out. The fact that this year they are not again the best conference does not mean they are great.
(2) You only talk about the big 10s worst games. I never said t ...[text shortened]... sed it is because there schedule is a joke. I think there zero first place votes say it all.
2-3) No I talk about the Big Ten's overall record while you try to cherry pick. As far as all the crying about road bowl games, TFB. Don't play in them if they are sooooooooooooooooooooo unfair. I'm sure quality teams from other conferences would jump at the chance to play in the Rose Bowl.
4) College football is an offensive minded game these days and the best teams are speed teams that score a lot. The days of 3 yards and a pound of dust are over. The Miami teams and Florida State teams that dominated the late 80's and 90's were prime examples of this as the USC teams of the early 2000's have been. Some conferences like the Big 12 have accepted this fact of life and their best teams have moved to dynamic offenses. The Big Ten stays in a time warp which is probably why this "powerhouse" conference has only had 2 national champions in the last 39 years.
5) This is a "eat ****; a billion flies can't be wrong" argument. The same argument was made last year concerning Boise State and in 2004 regarding Utah. All they did is went out and beat a BCS automatic conference champion. Don't be surprised if Hawaii does too.
Originally posted by Red NightThen how come Missouri beat Illinois in Champagne while Illinois beat Ohio State in Columbus? And West Virginia was ranked #3 in the preseason AP poll, so the one who's obviously not in his right mind is you.
Excellent points.
It is a crying shame that the National Championship game will be played by two weak teams from weak conferences.
Nobody in their right mind really thinks that either of these two would have finished higher than 3rd in the the Big Ten, Pac 10 or SEC North or South.
Ohio State plays in tougher conference than West Virginia and played a tougher schedule. I'm not sure why they aren't ranked ahead.
As for your who beats who argument. Notre Dame beats Stanford. Staford wins at USC. How come people don't say the whole PAC-10 stinks.
Hawaii beat absolutely no one. Unless you count Boise State, who lost at home by two touch downs to Washington. That is the same Washington that Ohio State blew out and is costantly mentioned as part of the garbage out of conference schedule Ohio State plays.