break up of the UK

Originally posted by catfoodtim
With a name like Prince Of Orange, its not surprising that you look to the Union rather than to your own nationality.

I do look to my own nationality, I'm a British national, what are you on about?

Originally posted by catfoodtim
Ireland, with a smaller population than Scotland, seems to do alright for itself these days with its economy. The Isle of Man is not part of the UK, and is not a member of the EU. Yet manages self-governance pretty well, albeit with trade agreements with the UK admittedly.

Ireland is subsidised by Britain through the medium of the Fourth Reich, th Isle of Man is a satellite state of the UK

Originally posted by princeoforange
I do look to my own nationality, I'm a British national, what are you on about?

Brittish by birth, Scottish by the grace of God.

Originally posted by princeoforange
I do look to my own nationality, I'm a British national, what are you on about?

He's not sure whether he is Irish(Southern) or British. He says he is English but flies the Irish Republican flag here on RHP.

He is also very touchy about the least jocular reference to the attributes of the stage Oirishman, such as tickness.

Originally posted by sylvander
[b]Yes, and it's not just Ireland...

Ireland, Norway, Denmark, Belgium, Luxembourg, Iceland, Sweden, Finland and Switzerland can all be called small Western European countries and every one of those countries has a higher standard of living than Scotland. Norway aside, none of the aforementioned countries have oil in their territorial waters currently wort ...[text shortened]... united e.g sharing north sea oil....". See http://snp.org/press-releases/2006/oilwealthhidden/

to be honest i didn't want to mention economic reasons for keeping the union, as it certainly is not my forte, but put the first things that came into my head.
i actually think the scots are more than capable of being successfully independant (esp. considering that ammount of oil- excuse my ignorance!).
it's just that i generally consider myself to be british rather than english and would rather we didn't all go our seperate ways- just need to find some decent reasons it....

Originally posted by london nick
to be honest i didn't want to mention economic reasons for keeping the union, as it certainly is not my forte, but put the first things that came into my head.
i actually think the scots are more than capable of being successfully independant (esp. considering that ammount of oil- excuse my ignorance!).
it's just that i generally consider myself to be ...[text shortened]... would rather we didn't all go our seperate ways- just need to find some decent reasons it....

I used to be a staunch nationalist, but as i get older i see that the union is not such a bad thing. Although i believe the psyche of our country could do with the national pride that independence could bring, i now think that seperatism is not as clear cut as just calling ourself a a nation and sit and smell the tartan flowers. One need only look at slovakia to see how it could go wrong, if there was enough forethought into the preperation for seperation then i'd be all for it, but i wouldn't like it just to be rushed into.

Originally posted by huckleberryhound
I used to be a staunch nationalist, but as i get older i see that the union is not such a bad thing. Although i believe the psyche of our country could do with the national pride that independence could bring, i now think that seperatism is not as clear cut as just calling ourself a a nation and sit and smell the tartan flowers. On need only look at ...[text shortened]... peration for seperation then i'd be all for it, but i wouldn't like it just to be rushed into.

all the scots i know have more than enough national pride, especially when it comes to footy or rugby!
do you see independance then as inevitable, in time, considering the scottish parliament is laying much of the groundwork for it?

Originally posted by london nick
all the scots i know have more than enough national pride, especially when it comes to footy or rugby!
do you see independance then as inevitable, in time, considering the scottish parliament is laying much of the groundwork for it?

If there's one thing i hate, it's 90 minute nationalism, if that was to rule the country we'd have independence when Scotland reach the knockout stages of the world cup. The Parliament has indeed given us a glimpse of what is to come, i just hope that we aren't left out to dry, and that we retain a common armed forces.

Originally posted by huckleberryhound
If there's one thing i hate, it's 90 minute nationalism, if that was to rule the country we'd have independence when Scotland reach the knockout stages of the world cup. The Parliament has indeed given us a glimpse of what is to come, i just hope that we aren't left out to dry, and that we retain a common armed forces.

true! although i haven't met a scot who isn't proud to be one.

isn't a shared foreign policy with independant domestic policy near enough the situation now?

Originally posted by london nick
true! although i haven't met a scot who isn't proud to be one.

isn't a shared foreign policy with independant domestic policy near enough the situation now?

We're all proud to be what we are, just we have different views about what "we are" entails. . .age old story, if nationalism wasn't so closely tied to The Irish situation in the 70's we could've had our own country by now (the 80's screwed that for us). That's just my opinion, and i'm not even dreaming of talking for all my countrymen.

Independent domestic policy of sorts, we can spend our money as we see fit, and raise extra revenue, but as far as i know that is it. It has meant that we could give the elderly more, and i think we rejected the student loan thing, but i'd need someone more versed in that sort of thing to refute or confirm that point.

Originally posted by Philodor
He's not sure whether he is Irish(Southern) or British. He says he is English but flies the Irish Republican flag here on RHP.

He is also very touchy about the least jocular reference to the attributes of the stage Oirishman, such as tickness.

Fool. All of Ireland, Republic or 'Northern' is Irish.

You cannot be British and Irish.

People in Belfast might be in the UK, but that doesn't make them British.

Originally posted by Redmike
Fool. All of Ireland, Republic or 'Northern' is Irish.

You cannot be British and Irish.

People in Belfast might be in the UK, but that doesn't make them British.

I'm afraid they can be Both Irish and Brittish my friend, i think this forum has insulted enough people, and different groups without adding NI unionists to the list. I'dve expected better of you mate.

Originally posted by huckleberryhound
I'm afraid they can be Both Irish and Brittish my friend, i think this forum has insulted enough people, and different groups without adding NI unionists to the list. I'dve expected better of you mate.

Read your passport - the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

People in NI are in the UK, but not in Great Britain.

Originally posted by Redmike
Read your passport - the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

People in NI are in the UK, but not in Great Britain.

Nit-picking again.

Originally posted by Redmike
Read your passport - the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

People in NI are in the UK, but not in Great Britain.

Ask a Northern Irish Unionist if he/she's Brittish or not.