02 Nov 06
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And Philodor- if you were talking about Catfood, me ol' mate, he has every right to fly the Irish flag. If he's living in Ireland, why not fly our flag. I'm honoured he would choose to do so. We're happy to have him! He can fly St.George too, it's up to him.
But if he's living in Ireland, why not fly the tricolour? And what's wrong with Republicanism in its true sense?
Take it easy, phil!
Ciao all
02 Nov 06
Originally posted by sjegI concur, but the fact that Northern Ireland has been named seperately on thepassport has more to do with the questionable political situation in the are than seperate governance from Britain.
But Britishness and Irishness are not decided by blood/creed or what have you, Huck- that's the point.
If you have a kid who was born here, the kid would be Irish!!!
02 Nov 06
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundI've not said you claimed that NI was attached to GB, or anything like this. Please try and read what I'm saying, rather than invent stuff and then criticise what I didn't say.
No i am stating that thew Northern Irish are British, not that they are part of the Geographical landmass called Great Britain. . .Can we please at least be arguing about the same thing ?
other things that might lead you to believe that NI is British....
They travel under a British passport
All legal Bodies are registered as British
They use ...[text shortened]... t question therefore no conclusion.
edit. still waiting for you to make your move Sjeg 🙂
I think we just don't agree on the definition of 'British'. You say it relates to the UK, and I think it relates to Great Britain.
Is that a fair summary of the point at issue?
02 Nov 06
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundBut it was always like that, from the Act of Union on, HH.... anyway, nevermind all this,
I concur, but the fact that Northern Ireland has been named seperately on thepassport has more to do with the questionable political situation in the are than seperate governance from Britain.
The sun shines in Rome- I have lasagne. the world is beautiful. I wish you all a wonderful afternoon. (even you prods!) 😲 (joke)
And will move later on, HH. looking forward to the game. Bye all.
02 Nov 06
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Originally posted by Redmikeseems to be, that and the fact that i originally wished not to have another section of the RHP community offended by this forum,I agree that our takes on the situation are different, people have died over this argument, it should not be taken lightly.
I've not said you claimed that NI was attached to GB, or anything like this. Please try and read what I'm saying, rather than invent stuff and then criticise what I didn't say.
I think we just don't agree on the definition of 'British'. You say it relates to the UK, and I think it relates to Great Britain.
Is that a fair summary of the point at issue?
edit. Enjoy Sjeg, see ya at the board, tell the pope i said hi 😉
02 Nov 06
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundOK.
seems to be, that and the fact that i originally wished not to have another section of the RHP community offended by this forum,I agree that our takes on the situation are different, people have died over this argument, it should not be taken lightly.
edit. Enjoy Sjeg, see ya at the board, tell the pope i said hi 😉
But please bear in mind that I'm not arguing from a Republican or Nationalist point of view, just a 'geographical purist' view, if you like.
There is a political aspiration amongst many people in NI to be British, and that is fair enough. So, we get the slogan 'Ulster is British', for example. (as an aside, my view is that this is wrong in 2 ways, but that's not the point). This reflects their association with Britain, and their antipathy to the Irish Republic.
I'm not disputing this. This in turns give rise to that part of world being (wrongly) described as British (partly because it isn't easy to say 'United Kingdomish'😉.
There are a million or so people in NI who, as a shorthand for their aspiration to remain linked to the UK, call themselves British.
But that's all this is - a political aspiration expressed in a sort of shorthand than makes sloganising simple.
The bottom line is that you cannot be British if you're not from Great Britain.
02 Nov 06
Originally posted by catfoodtimBut, as they say, 'there's no smoke without fire'.
Philodor, your tired goading aside, I'm just intolerant of your repetitive cliched racial stereotyping full stop. If you're still amused by Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson's 'jocular' humour then fine - just be aware that others might find it offensive.
Just have a laugh. Spike Milligan did so, and produced the most life-like drawing of the stage M....hy in one of his many publications.
02 Nov 06
Originally posted by ElleEffSeeeI think the economic arguement is only a part of it.
lol - you said this on page 2, then as far as I can tell all subsequent pages are choc full of your good self and others nit-picking about NI and being British.
Back to the subject, and looking at why Scotland joined the Union in the first place. Was it not due to their independent investment in Darian going tits up, and therefore Scotland saw ...[text shortened]... t is the present day situation - is it now more economically viable to stay in the Union or not?
For what it's worth, my opinion is that, economically, we'll be a bit better off. Not hugely, but a wee bit.
For me, it is an issue of self-determination. If the Scots want to run their own country, and they vote accordingly, whatever the economic consequences, they should be allowed to do so.
Even from a unionist position, if they think that it is such a bad idea, and that they can make such a strong case for Scotland staying, why not have the referendum anyway. If we lose, then the issue is dead for decades and the SNP sunk.
02 Nov 06
Originally posted by Redmikejust to muddy the waters- my grandad was a half irish/english catholic from dublin, who considered himself british and fought for 'great britain' in the first world war, and settled in england after. i guess in reality it all depends, as we've seen from this discussion, on an individuals' interpretation.
That's all very fascinating, but it doesn't answer my question.
In 1915, were the people of Dublin British?
i have to admit i thought NI was part of britain (but then i've used the term synonymously with UK), but accept that technically that is not correct, but colloqually acceptable.
anyway for those of you for independance what is so bad about the union, or is it a case of the benefits of independance are greater?
02 Nov 06
Originally posted by Ian68Did any of you read this post the first time?
http://www.englishclub.com/vocabulary/world-countries-nationality.htm
This is a list of countries, and the correct adjectives to describe someone from them. If you scroll down to United Kingdom it says British.
02 Nov 06
Originally posted by london nick"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"
would the independance of the home nations be a good thing?
it is often discussed, especially regarding scotland, but personally i'd rather it didn't happen.
we all share the same culture, and to me the differences are in name only, but then i'm english and perhaps would feel differently if governed from edinburgh/cardiff/belfast.
- The Who -
Whether the Scots are ruled by the English aristocrisy and big business from London or whether they're ruled by the Scottish aristocrisy and big business from Edinburgh, I don't see it's going to make much difference to them.
If I was living in Scotland I would want independance, just so that my political tongue wasn't so stuck up George Bush's rear-end.