02 Nov 06
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundAre people in Canada/Us/Oz/NZ whose heritage is Scottish British too then?
well as most of the Unionists in Ireland have heritage that hails from Scotland, i'd say that makes them pretty Brittish, and as the members of parliament from Northern Ireland sit in the House of commons (apart from the obvious few) that would hint towards some POLITICAL affiliation with Britain. You're clutching at straws mate, don't make any more ...[text shortened]... ling philidor a fool, in case you were wondering). You've gone down in my estimations buddy.
The Northern Irish MPs who sit in the Commons have a political affiliation with the UK, not Great Britain.
02 Nov 06
Originally posted by chris stephensExactly.
nonsense. under the 1968 Shelf Jurisdiction Order agreed in Geneva, scotland would be entitled to 90% of the current taxation revenues from North Sea Oil and Gas. Fact.
There is no question that Scotland wouldn't receive the revenue from our oil.
We'd also have the revenue from whisky, all of which gets swallowed by London (all the revenue, that is).
We'd also not have the same military costs. They can have the missiles on the Thames, but we don't want/need them. We'd not be paying for or participating in Bush's overseas adventures either.
02 Nov 06
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Hey- why doesn't Northern Ireland become independent?
Oh yes- it's become a festering sheet hole full of lazy ignorant bigots drawing the dole for all they're worth.
Wave your Union Jack a bit harder, and maybe old Queen Brenda and her subects will keep you in 'Ulster fries' and wee potato farls for another few years.
02 Nov 06
Originally posted by PhilodorYes... we are all so 'tick'...
He's not sure whether he is Irish(Southern) or British. He says he is English but flies the Irish Republican flag here on RHP.
He is also very touchy about the least jocular reference to the attributes of the stage Oirishman, such as tickness.
that's probably why we earn a healthy chunk more wages than you do in England per capita and that in the quality of life in Ireland leaves England miles behind in the rankings.
02 Nov 06
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Originally posted by huckleberryhoundThat's exactly Red Mike's point, mate- Northern irish Unionists are plainly wrong.
Ask a Northern Irish Unionist if he/she's Brittish or not.
They can trace back their lineage to britain all they want. However, if they are born in Ireland, they are Irish by definition.
The Union, when we formed part of it, was always the Union of Great Britain and Ireland. And now,as RM points out, it is the UK of GB and NI.
These are GEOGRAPHICAL distinctions, and NOT political/racial/cultural.
Ireland/ Hibernia / Éire is one island, and Britain is another. I hope that clears things up- sorry- but this is an issue that so many people confuse, that it has to be pointed out.
Sorry to take sides, but Mike's 100% correct in his account here.
02 Nov 06
Originally posted by RedmikeYou remind me of the half-educated barrackroom-lawyer type one often came across in the Army: a disgruntled misfit with a bolshevik turn of mind always ready to display what litlle knowledge he possessed, however irrelevant to the main issue under discussion.
Of course. Philo is shown to be wrong again, so it has to be nit-picking.
02 Nov 06
Originally posted by PhilodorYour statement is irrelevant to the main issue under discussion.
You remind me of the half-educated barrackroom-lawyer type one often came across in the Army: a disgruntled misfit with a bolshevik turn of mind always ready to display what litlle knowledge he possessed, however irrelevant to the main issue under discussion.
02 Nov 06
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Originally posted by sjegThe point is that they are indeed "British". Being Part of "Great Britain" is , as Inahvoe would say, a Straw man.
That's exactly Red Mike's point, mate- Northern irish Unionists are plainly wrong.
They can trace back their lineage to britain all they want. However, if they are born in Ireland, they are Irish by definition.
The Union, when we formed part of it, was always the Union of Great Britain and Ireland. And now,as RM points out, it is the UK of GB and NI.
T ...[text shortened]... t has to be pointed out.
Sorry to take sides, but Mike's 100% correct in his account here.
I won't labour the point any more, but the whole argument is based on a false premise.
Northern Ireland is Part iof the Island of Ireland - True.
The Northrern Irish are British - whether Red likes it or not, True.
The only argument i have seen to the contrary is that Northern Ireland is named on the . . .wait for it ...."British" passport, not the Irish passport, or the French Passport, or even the Outer Mongolian Passport, the British one. If you ask a nordie (lets keep this out of the whole nationalist debate right now please) which passport he holds he will tell you he holds a British passport (a nationalist would hold an irish one, but like i said yadda yadda), now ask him which parliament his MPs sit, now ask him which country his MEP's represent, now ask him which armed forces he will be joining, now ask him which Police force - note i said police force and not Garda - covers his area ( the PSNI, but the point is that it is part of the British system, not Irish).
I could go on but i don't think i have to. The idealogical argument over Northern Ireland is a seperate issue and you would probably be amazed ( or not) by my personal opinion on that from reading these posts, but the idea that The Northern Irish Unionists are anything other than British is pure Codswallop, and that is Political Fact.
Your insistence in Using semantics in this argument Red is really quite funny at this stage.
02 Nov 06
Originally posted by sjegwhat's a tick ? is that like Cel "tick" ?
Yes... we are all so 'tick'...
that's probably why we earn a healthy chunk more wages than you do in England per capita and that in the quality of life in Ireland leaves England miles behind in the rankings.
seriously, i don't know.
