break up of the UK

Originally posted by shavixmir
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"
- The Who -

Whether the Scots are ruled by the English aristocrisy and big business from London or whether they're ruled by the Scottish aristocrisy and big business from Edinburgh, I don't see it's going to make much difference to them.

If I was living in Scotland I would want independance, just so that my political tongue wasn't so stuck up George Bush's rear-end.

Originally posted by Redmike
I think the economic arguement is only a part of it.

For what it's worth, my opinion is that, economically, we'll be a bit better off. Not hugely, but a wee bit.

For me, it is an issue of self-determination. If the Scots want to run their own country, and they vote accordingly, whatever the economic consequences, they should be allowed to do so.


E ...[text shortened]... t have the referendum anyway. If we lose, then the issue is dead for decades and the SNP sunk.

Originally posted by ElleEffSeee
If it's not obvious that Scotland wil be better off financially out of the Union, and there's not a huge amount of nationalism to fuel the drive for independence (Alex Salmon is hardly Robert the Bruce), I guess the comfort of the norm and being part of a bigger entity will win through for now with respect to a referendum.

Originally posted by ElleEffSeee
If it's not obvious that Scotland wil be better off financially out of the Union, and there's not a huge amount of nationalism to fuel the drive for independence (Alex Salmon is hardly Robert the Bruce), I guess the comfort of the norm and being part of a bigger entity will win through for now with respect to a referendum.

Originally posted by shavixmir
Just wait until the FIFA decide that England and Scotland can't have separate football teams...then the drive for independance will succeed.

Oh yes. Politics and morality can't do the trick, but bloody sport will.

Originally posted by shavixmir
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"
- The Who -

Whether the Scots are ruled by the English aristocrisy and big business from London or whether they're ruled by the Scottish aristocrisy and big business from Edinburgh, I don't see it's going to make much difference to them.

If I was living in Scotland I would want independance, just so that my political tongue wasn't so stuck up George Bush's rear-end.

Originally posted by london nick
a british team would be great!

Originally posted by Redmike
That's not what the opinion polls are suggesting - there's a consistent majority in favour of outright independance recently.

Young people, in particular, are very much in favour.

Originally posted by ElleEffSeee
Hmmm I've had a quick look and that's not the impression I get - it seems half and half to me:

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060911-011325-7785r
http://www.ipsos-mori.com/polls/2006/spcb.shtml
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/5331992.stm

I wouldn't say the difference between 44 (yay) and 42 (nay) percent is statistically significant (there were only 1176 people in the sample - from the youGov website).

I say good luck to Scotland if you want independence. Wales too.

Beter late than never. And for the reasons mentioned above, it could be an important decision.

Originally posted by london nick
got to admit, i felt for the scots and the welsh having thatcher foisted upon them.
i felt sorry for the english too, but unfortunately we voted her in.

we need PR!

Originally posted by Varg
And now the English are ruled by the Scottish mafia.

What irony!

Originally posted by sjeg
but bulldog Clarke is apparently not too Scottish..

Originally posted by aging blitzer
I thought John Reid was the attack dog.
Or Dr. John Reid as he seems to be called sometimes.
What's he an honourary ( I assume) doctor of?