Don't look now, but the Florida case numbers are starting to come down the other side of the mountain, hospitalizations have begun to decrease and deaths (as the lagging indicator) are cresting, though it will take another couple of weeks to start falling.
According to covidestim, FL Rt rate is now 0.73, signifying a fast decline.
https://covidestim.org/us/FL
The other southern states are also starting to see the numbers fall, with all having Rt's below one according to the aforementioned.
A little over 2 weeks of maskless schooling in most of the state doesn't seem to have altered the expected trajectory of the wave.
I wonder if maybe children wearing filthy re-usable cloth masks all day isn't the only way a COVID wave ebbs.
@sh76 saidAre you trying to argue that pandemic mitigation efforts are useless?
Don't look now, but the Florida case numbers are starting to come down the other side of the mountain, hospitalizations have begun to decrease and deaths (as the lagging indicator) are cresting, though it will take another couple of weeks to start falling.
According to covidestim, FL Rt rate is now 0.73, signifying a fast decline.
https://covidestim.org/us/FL
The other ...[text shortened]... if maybe children wearing filthy re-usable cloth masks all day isn't the only way a COVID wave ebbs.
Maybe we should do the same with traffic laws. Once we get the bad drivers and pedestrians off the roads and streets (you know because they die) then the rest of us can drive in peace without red lights and jaywalkers.
@wildgrass said===Are you trying to argue that pandemic mitigation efforts are useless?===
Are you trying to argue that pandemic mitigation efforts are useless?
Maybe we should do the same with traffic laws. Once we get the bad drivers and pedestrians off the roads and streets (you know because they die) then the rest of us can drive in peace without red lights and jaywalkers.
Ummm. No.
Vaccines? Extremely useful.
Masking for adults? Somewhat useful in kicking the can down the road a little.
Forcing everyone to stay home? Very useful, but not worth it (and just kicks the can down the road anyway).
Making children wear dirty cloth masks in school all day? Mainly useless and somewhat harmful.
Mitigation efforts (I mean government mandated; I'm not talking about individual choice) were and are only ever useful for two reasons:
1. To hang on until vaccines or therapeutics come;
2. To slow a surge that threatens to overwhelm a healthcare system.
1 is now irrelevant since we have effective vaccines, decent therapeutics and no real prospect of getting better ones.
2 might have some application in limited circumstances.
The general shape of a COVID wave is essentially the same contours (though the Wuhan wild type curves were a bit different from the Delta curve), though I'm sure the amplitude and slope can be affected somewhat by mitigation.
The idea pushed by the CNNs of the world that COVID is only ever slowed by mitigation is unscientific and silly.
The idea that whether children wear masks all day is going to be the primary driver of the pandemic is borderline evil.
@wildgrass said===Maybe we should do the same with traffic laws. Once we get the bad drivers and pedestrians off the roads and streets (you know because they die) then the rest of us can drive in peace without red lights and jaywalkers.===
Are you trying to argue that pandemic mitigation efforts are useless?
Maybe we should do the same with traffic laws. Once we get the bad drivers and pedestrians off the roads and streets (you know because they die) then the rest of us can drive in peace without red lights and jaywalkers.
If your only goal was to decrease traffic fatalities as much as possible, the optimal traffic law would be to ban automobiles.
02 Sep 21
@sh76 saidSo wat was your point? It seems like Florida should have kept the simpler (mask in a store kind of) mitigation efforts in place until a larger percentage of their population was vaccinated. This would have saved lives with minimal effort by citizens.
===Are you trying to argue that pandemic mitigation efforts are useless?===
Ummm. No.
Vaccines? Extremely useful.
Masking for adults? Somewhat useful in kicking the can down the road a little.
Forcing everyone to stay home? Very useful, but not worth it (and just kicks the can down the road anyway).
Making children wear dirty cloth masks in school all day? Mainly ...[text shortened]... er children wear masks all day is going to be the primary driver of the pandemic is borderline evil.
@sh76 saidWe could similarly eliminate all public education and birthday parties. But your post is only talking about masks, which seems more similar to a seatbelt in this analogy.
===Maybe we should do the same with traffic laws. Once we get the bad drivers and pedestrians off the roads and streets (you know because they die) then the rest of us can drive in peace without red lights and jaywalkers.===
If your only goal was to decrease traffic fatalities as much as possible, the optimal traffic law would be to ban automobiles.
How in the world did either the Hong Kong Flu or the Spanish Flu ever end? Viruses do not magically go away.
Oh wait, after people get sick and get better most develop immunity and eventually the virus no longer finds good hosts. It goes away, the typical virus cycle, but too many people are uneducated around here to accept that fact.
02 Sep 21
@eladar saidYour ridiculous argument has been refuted over and over. Smallpox existed before Jesus and was only eliminated by mandatory vaccination.
How in the world did either the Hong Kong Flu or the Spsnish Flu ever end? Viruses do not magically go away.
Oh wait, after people get sick and get better most develop immunity and eventually the virus no longer finds good hosts. It goes away, the typical virus cycle, but too many people are uneducated around here to accept that fact.
@sh76 saidHurrah; Florida's seven day average is all the way down to 19,857 cases which is still 25% higher than the peak in January and about 60% higher than the worst it got last summer. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/
Don't look now, but the Florida case numbers are starting to come down the other side of the mountain, hospitalizations have begun to decrease and deaths (as the lagging indicator) are cresting, though it will take another couple of weeks to start falling.
According to covidestim, FL Rt rate is now 0.73, signifying a fast decline.
https://covidestim.org/us/FL
The other ...[text shortened]... if maybe children wearing filthy re-usable cloth masks all day isn't the only way a COVID wave ebbs.
Yup, toss those masks in the trash.
02 Sep 21
@eladar saidOh, the irony.
How in the world did either the Hong Kong Flu or the Spanish Flu ever end? Viruses do not magically go away.
Oh wait, after people get sick and get better most develop immunity and eventually the virus no longer finds good hosts. It goes away, the typical virus cycle, but too many people are uneducated around here to accept that fact.
02 Sep 21
@wildgrass saidWhen talking about our trailer-trash residents, that is an assumption.
.. yet you have a roof over your head in a rainstorm.
02 Sep 21
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@sh76 saidDon't look now, but the Florida case numbers are starting to come down the other side of the mountain, hospitalizations have begun to decrease and deaths (as the lagging indicator) are cresting, though it will take another couple of weeks to start falling.
Don't look now, but the Florida case numbers are starting to come down the other side of the mountain, hospitalizations have begun to decrease and deaths (as the lagging indicator) are cresting, though it will take another couple of weeks to start falling.
According to covidestim, FL Rt rate is now 0.73, signifying a fast decline.
https://covidestim.org/us/FL
The other ...[text shortened]... if maybe children wearing filthy re-usable cloth masks all day isn't the only way a COVID wave ebbs.
I sincerely hope so! Like most, I've had more than enough of this. Glad some in the anti vax crowd is finally getting it through their heads that shots do make a difference.
If this keeps up maybe OTB events will become more plentiful in early 2022. Zoom is beginning to lose it's luster-
@wildgrass saidHow many people got smallpox multiple times over their lifetime?
Your ridiculous argument has been refuted over and over. Smallpox existed before Jesus and was only eliminated by mandatory vaccination.
Childhood diseases most people get once. Same with covid. There have always been exceptions, but in today's hype, the perception is that it is the rule. What is the rule? If you recover from covid you are not immune.