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20 Dec 21
21 Dec 21
@vivify said"And in the next Presidential election."
And in the next Presidential election.
But the problem isn't so much Biden being a weak president (which he is) the problem is that there are far too many white conservatives in this country who will always band together to support Republicans no matter. It didn't matter how many scandals, corrupt acts or incredibly stupid things Trump said or did, he still received more v ...[text shortened]... llowed an unqualified despot to select 3 SCOTUS judges that will shape this country for generations.
Hopefully the KFC and MickyDeez will catch up to Trump and he will croak by then.
Hopefully Katie Porter will run and I trust her to mop the floor with Ron de Santis.
" the problem is that there are far too many white conservatives in this country who will always band together to support Republicans no matter."
Nope that's not the problem 😀. The problem is all the people who do not vote because they feel that neither party will improve their lives whatsoever. Because nobody gives them a reason to. And as Hillary and McCauliffe proved, running on "i am not as bad as the other guy" is not a good enough reason to stand in line (not yet, anyway, you are fast aproaching the point where it would, but then voting won't be a problem you will have to deal with).
All of which you know already, proven by your next paragraph.
@suzianne saidJoe Manchin has voted with Biden 97% of the time.
How would another senator voting the same way Manchin votes in his place affect anything?
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/joe-manchin/
A random replacement Republican Senator from WV would probably drop about 60 percentage points off than number.
You may not like his position on BBB, but by any objective measure, the Democratic party should want and be thankful for Joe Manchin.
@zahlanzi saidRight. Do some of that and Manchin switches parties and McConnell becomes Senate Majority leaders and kiss goodbye Biden's chances of making any major judicial appointments. Or maybe by some miracle Manchin caves, and then Sinema balks.
Bully him into falling in line. Promise him all the DNC money will be poured into helping a primary challenger. Threaten to investigate both him or his epi-pen price gouging daughter. Don't decouple the BBB bill from an infrastructure bill that was damn brilliant 19 republicans agreed to vote for it and that Manchin salivated for. (you didn't need Manchin's vote for that, di ...[text shortened]... ink republicans are fascist enough to worry about or because they just don't see the point of voting
Don't become a political strategist.
Or maybe become a political strategist for Democrats. Yeah; that's a great idea. Go for it!
@vivify saidKeep thinking is that the problem is the evil white people and you probably haven't noticed that you're bleeding Hispanic support faster than a silver-spoon-up-the-ass college kid wearing a Che Guevara tee-shirt.
And in the next Presidential election.
But the problem isn't so much Biden being a weak president (which he is) the problem is that there are far too many white conservatives in this country who will always band together to support Republicans no matter. It didn't matter how many scandals, corrupt acts or incredibly stupid things Trump said or did, he still received more v ...[text shortened]... llowed an unqualified despot to select 3 SCOTUS judges that will shape this country for generations.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/584880-hispanic-voters-evenly-split-between-democrats-gop-wsj-poll
21 Dec 21
@sh76 said"Do some of that and Manchin switches parties"
Right. Do some of that and Manchin switches parties and McConnell becomes Senate Majority leaders and kiss goodbye Biden's chances of making any major judicial appointments. Or maybe by some miracle Manchin caves, and then Sinema balks.
Don't become a political strategist.
Or maybe become a political strategist for Democrats. Yeah; that's a great idea. Go for it!
First of all, it's a problem if you can do that, can you agree to that?
Secondly, if you don't pass anything, that will happen anyway in the midterms. If only things like the infrastructure bill pass, you don't need Manchin, you had 19 freakin republicans on board.
You keep walking on eggshells around Manchin to keep him "democrat" (funny) and you lose other seats to republicans.
Collins and Murkowski aren't dictating republican policy. They aren't blackmailing McConnell. How can that be? (imagine me asking this in the most sarcastic and mocking tone possible)
21 Dec 21
@metal-brain saidNobody remembers what you told anyone.
Remember when I told you the establishment would use a corrupt democrat to do just this? I told you so.
You are a useless contributor to the forums.
In a nutshell ....... a troll.
@sh76 saidConservatives voted for someone who called Mexican immigrants drug-addled rapists, called for a total ban on Muslims, and said he "would've done a lot worse than waterboarding" to prisoners suspected of terrorism.
Keep thinking is that the problem is the evil white people and you probably haven't noticed that you're bleeding Hispanic support faster than a silver-spoon-up-the-ass college kid wearing a Che Guevara tee-shirt.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/584880-hispanic-voters-evenly-split-between-democrats-gop-wsj-poll
You have no argument.
21 Dec 21
@zahlanzi saidJohn McCain prevented the ACA from being repealed.
"Do some of that and Manchin switches parties"
First of all, it's a problem if you can do that, can you agree to that?
Secondly, if you don't pass anything, that will happen anyway in the midterms. If only things like the infrastructure bill pass, you don't need Manchin, you had 19 freakin republicans on board.
You keep walking on eggshells around Manchin to keep him " ...[text shortened]... McConnell. How can that be? (imagine me asking this in the most sarcastic and mocking tone possible)
Funny, I don't remember the liberals on this board ripping him for not being loyal to his party then.
21 Dec 21
@vivify saidYou're conflating conservatism and Trump. Obviously, many Hispanic voters disagree with you.
Conservatives for someone who called Mexican immigrants drug-addled rapists, called for a total ban on Muslims, and said he "would've done a lot worse than waterboarding" to prisoners suspected of terrorism.
You have no argument.
That you can't wrap your mind around the fact that many Hispanics support the Republicans doesn't change this very serious problem for the Democratic coalition.
21 Dec 21
@vivify saidcome now. It's a valid point. I told you again and again that it's a trap to call all trump voters racist. That everyone not voting must want Trump to win.
Conservatives for someone who called Mexican immigrants drug-addled rapists, called for a total ban on Muslims, and said he "would've done a lot worse than waterboarding" to prisoners suspected of terrorism.
You have no argument.
Some voted for Trump because between him and Clinton, he at least promised something. They believed him because the other told them she won't do anything for them. They voted for what's his face instead of McCauliffe because the latter literally ran on "Trump is bad" and nothing else when Trump wasn't even president anymore.
Caring about supreme court appointees and the possible death of democracy are distant concerns for someone not having healthcare or a job or food on the table.
21 Dec 21
@sh76 saidHow the hell did you reach to this conclusion? I don't care if someone votes with the party if the thing they vote for is horrible. I JUST mentioned the great infrastructure bill that was good enough (for wealthy donors) that 19 republicans voted for. I didn't care Manchin voted for that, he wasn't needed.
John McCain prevented the ACA from being repealed.
Funny, I don't remember the liberals on this board ripping him for not being loyal to his party then.
Of course i didn't complain when McCain voted against his party to help people, i am not a psychopath.
The point is that you need 50 democrats to vote for the agenda that is difficult to pass. The items that actually help people. If you don't have that number of votes and you change your agenda until it is unrecognizable nobody fukin cares. Certainly not the voters.
@sh76 saidRepublicans didn't get anywhere near that level of Hispanic support in 2020.
You're conflating conservatism and Trump. Obviously, many Hispanic voters disagree with you.
That you can't wrap your mind around the fact that many Hispanics support the Republicans doesn't change this very serious problem for the Democratic coalition.
Everyone concedes that polling is brutal for the Dems right now, but the election is almost 11 months away - an eternity in American politics.
@zahlanzi saidAND, "If Republicans fight for the people, the people will fight for them!' So what is your point? As to Manchin, 74% of Virginia wanted him to vote NO. Here is a link. So you fellers are all a bit off on this anti-Manchin discussion. I am here to help.https://www.wvnews.com/news/wvnews/polling-shows-west-virginians-approve-of-justice-manchin-disapprove-of-biden/article_2ca94712-46e7-11ec-853e-3b947a5f34de.html
Bully him into falling in line. Promise him all the DNC money will be poured into helping a primary challenger. Threaten to investigate both him or his epi-pen price gouging daughter. Don't decouple the BBB bill from an infrastructure bill that was damn brilliant 19 republicans agreed to vote for it and that Manchin salivated for. (you didn't need Manchin's vote for that, di ...[text shortened]... ink republicans are fascist enough to worry about or because they just don't see the point of voting
21 Dec 21
@sh76 saidThey have become one and the same. Only one Republican voted to impeach Trump in the first trial, and only 7 after he incited a riot at the Capitol building; and Trump is STILL the Republican front-runner for 2024.
You're conflating conservatism and Trump.
Only handfuls of conservatives ever speak out against Trump. Stop acting like there's any difference between Trumpism and "real" conservatives. There's not. A "real" conservative would stand up against him; they don't.
@zahlanzi saidWhether they're racist or not doesn't matter. They still support someone openly racist and corrupt. They deserve derision.
come now. It's a valid point. I told you again and again that it's a trap to call all trump voters racist. That everyone not voting must want Trump to win.
Some voted for Trump because between him and Clinton, he at least promised something. They believed him because the other told them she won't do anything for them. They voted for what's his face instead of McCauliffe ...[text shortened]... h of democracy are distant concerns for someone not having healthcare or a job or food on the table.