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@sh76 said
Right. Do some of that and Manchin switches parties and McConnell becomes Senate Majority leaders and kiss goodbye Biden's chances of making any major judicial appointments. Or maybe by some miracle Manchin caves, and then Sinema balks.

Don't become a political strategist.

Or maybe become a political strategist for Democrats. Yeah; that's a great idea. Go for it!

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@zahlanzi said
"Do some of that and Manchin switches parties"
First of all, it's a problem if you can do that, can you agree to that?

".....if you can do that"? What does this mean? What entity should control or dictate whether he has a choice to switch parties? He has a fundamental right in this country to switch, as much as how to cook his eggs. You might read up on Choice, how it should be applied in society.
You libs are all about some higher authority to cowtow to. Creepy, indeed.

@mghrn55 said
Nobody remembers what you told anyone.
You are a useless contributor to the forums.
In a nutshell ....... a troll.

Libs indeed exhibit 'convenient memories'; that is why I often repeat that Biden will be gone by August, and that Susan Rice and Obama are puppeting Biden......Oh, and that Manchen would hold his ground and vote NO.

@averagejoe1 said
Libs indeed exhibit 'convenient memories'; that is why I often repeat that Biden will be gone by August, and that Susan Rice and Obama are puppeting Biden......Oh, and that Manchen would hold his ground and vote NO.

In a month, you'll be whining about what a communist Manchin is.

@vivify said
Whether they are racist or not doesn't matter. They still support someone openly racist and corrupt and deserve derision.

Dude, no. You want to change the minds of those who aren't that far gone to change (and even those that are). You want their votes. You want them to become better. You benefit from them changing their minds, you mocking them doesn't benefit you at all.

At the very least, the ones who support republicans because they feel democrats are incompetent and republicans might actually accomplish something

@averagejoe1 said
".....if you can do that"? What does this mean? What entity should control or dictate whether he has a choice to switch parties? He has a fundamental right in this country to switch, as much as how to cook his eggs. You might read up on Choice, how it should be applied in society.
You libs are all about some higher authority to cowtow to. Creepy, indeed.

he ran as a democrat. he was elected as a democrat

By all means, resign as a democrat and a senator and run as a republican

@vivify said
Conservatives voted for someone who called Mexican immigrants drug-addled rapists, called for a total ban on Muslims, and said he "would've done a lot worse than waterboarding" to prisoners suspected of terrorism.

You have no argument.

I agree with those statements of Trump. You think they are not drug-addled?? No drugs at the border? Do you know that more deaths of people between 18 and 45 are caused by Fentymil than by any other cause? Jesus. And rapists? It is in the news every day, just not on your weenie sources.
Waterboarding is harmless, so yes, do something else about murdering scum. I always bait you fellers with questions like.."What if your sad little dishwashing uncle was on the 70th floor, Windows on the World, when the plane hit". And Muslims, they got it coming. What the hell are they doing here anyway? I have no interest in going to MUSWORLD, for god sakes.

@zahlanzi said
Dude, no. You want to change the minds of those who aren't that far gone to change (and even those that are). You want their votes. You want them to become better. You benefit from them changing their minds, you mocking them doesn't benefit you at all.

At the very least, the ones who support republicans because they feel democrats are incompetent and republicans might actually accomplish something

My post was in response to Sh76 claiming there's some difference between Trumpism and his brand of conservativism. Keep in mind he said he'd vote for Trump if Bernie Sanders won the nomination.

While I did say Trump supporters "deserve derision", I wasn't mocking Sh76 in that post, nor was I calling him "racist". My point is that the entire conservative culture in America accepts and defends Trump; so where he gets off claiming there's a "difference" between Trumpism and conservative America is beyond me.

@no1marauder said
In a month, you'll be whining about what a communist Manchin is.

If he turns out that way, I will admit any fault on my account. Done it many times. No 'predictor' is right 100% of the time. How bout when I put you fellers on ROKU stock a few years ago, went up 400% pretty fast. We can put that forecast in the plus column. I love this country.

@averagejoe1 said
I agree with those statements of Trump. You think they are not drug-addled?? No drugs at the border? And rapists? It is in the news every day, just not on your weenie sources.
Waterboarding is harmless

See, this is what I'm talking about. AJ is not some Republican outlier, this *is* conservative America.

@vivify said
They have become one and the same. Only one Republican voted to impeach Trump in the first trial, and only 7 after he incited a riot at the Capitol building; and Trump is STILL the Republican front-runner for 2024.

Only handfuls of conservatives ever speak out against Trump. Stop acting like there's any difference between Trumpism and "real" conservatives. There's not. A "real" conservative would stand up against him; they don't.

If Trump does win the 2024 nomination, that would be a complete disaster for the Republican party. I'll grant that.

But not voting to impeach is not the same thing as supporting Trump's political agenda and childish brand of politics.

@vivify said
See, this is what I'm talking about. AJ is not some Republican outlier, this *is* conservative America.

No it's not. It's Trumpist America, which has taken over the Republican party machinery for now.

It is not the conservative viewpoint.

@vivify said
My post was in response to Sh76 claiming there's some difference between Trumpism and his brand of conservativism. Keep in mind he said he'd vote for Trump if Bernie Sanders won the nomination.

While I did say Trump supporters "deserve derision", I wasn't mocking Sh76 in that post, nor was I calling him "racist". My point is that the entire conservative culture in Americ ...[text shortened]... he gets off claiming there's a "difference" between Trumpism and conservative America is beyond me.

"My post was in response to Sh76 claiming there's some difference between Trumpism and his brand of conservativism."
Who even knows what he understands by his brand of conservatism.

" Keep in mind he said he'd vote for Trump if Bernie Sanders won the nomination. "
yeh, he isn't very bright

" My point is that the entire conservative culture in America accepts and defends Trump;"
I don't agree with that.

"so where he gets off claiming there's a "difference" between Trumpism and conservative America is beyond me."
i guess there are some ignorant conservatives that genuinely think that Sanders will establish the soviet states of America. They aren't vicious ghouls lacking any empathy, they are genuinely concerned. If you know some of them and can engage them in honest discussion without mocking them, maybe they might be open to new information?

@sh76 said
If Trump does win the 2024 nomination, that would be a complete disaster for the Republican party. I'll grant that.

But not voting to impeach is not the same thing as supporting Trump's political agenda and childish brand of politics.

"If Trump does win the 2024 nomination, that would be a complete disaster for the Republican party. I'll grant that."
Is it true that you would still vote for Trump if the other choice would be Sanders?

"But not voting to impeach is not the same thing as supporting Trump's political agenda and childish brand of politics."
That's exactly what it means.

@sh76 said
No it's not. It's Trumpist America, which has taken over the Republican party machinery for now.

It is not the conservative viewpoint.

"Trumpism" existed for decades, most notably since the rise of Fox news in 2001. Trumpism isn't new it just has a name now. The same ideas Trump spouts off has been aired on Fox news for many years.

You say it Trumpism took over the Republican party "for now". Do you honestly believe this will change? It seems "Trumpism" is only accelerating in the Republican party, which chooses nut jobs like Miss "Jewish Space Laser" to lead them.

Here's a simple question, Sh76: what prominent conservative figure publicly opposes Trump? I don't mean merely disagreed with him at one time but actually opposes Trump and what he stands for? Can you think of any?