Originally posted by STANGah, you totally mistook my meaning.
I didn't set out to compare America to China.
I set out to show that I could see no reason for blind patriotism in America, nor to regard America as a member of some "Axis Of Good", nor to believe that Bush is capable of steering America out of it's mess and that, in fact, he compounds the mess.
you DON'T have a clue.
Originally posted by zeeblebotOriginally posted by STANG
cause we're still right, and you still haven't got a clue.
Originally posted by STANG
I wonder how many of the statistics in the opening post that you actually managed to read ?
Number of executions in 1998 USA 68 Egypt 48 Vietnam 18 Pakistan 4
so the U.S. is approximately 16.5 times more advanced in this area than Pakistan, 68/0 times more advanced than the E.U., and approximately 15,000 executions behind where it would need to be to achieve parity with and justice for the homicide victims in 1998.
Drug offences per 100,000 people USA 560.1 Canada 285.5 France 176.1 Denmark 17.7
Don't you like drugs?
Prisoners USA 2,078,570 China 1,549,000 Russia 846,967 India 313,635
see item 1.
Prisoners per 100,000 people USA 715 Russia 584 Iran 226 Israel 174
see item 1.
Rapes in a recent year USA 89,110 Russia 6,978 Indonesia 1,372
see various posts we hashed out before, where you claimed the U.S. leads the world in serial murders, and after looking into i said this is most likely due to better reporting.
Robberies per 100,000 people USA 1.38 Canada 0.82 Italy 0.64 Ireland 0.60
see previous item. and where are the UK and Australia?
Poverty USA 12% China 10% France 6.5% Taiwan 1%
a "poor" person in the U.S. would be middle class in China.
Military spend USA $370.7 billion China $67.49 billion Israel $9.11 billion Vietnam $650 million
the U.S. is the first line of defense for the rest of the world, including your tatty little flat.
Nuclear weapons USA 7,500 China 1,000 France 350 United Kingdom 200-300
see previous item.
Ecological footprint in hectares per person USA 12.22 Canada 7.66 Japan 5.94 China 1.84
TFB; see previous item; and, worldwide defense has gotta be supported somehow.
Soft drink consumption in litres / year / person USA 216 Irealand 126 Canada 119 Australia 100
WGAF?
Caffeine daily consumption USA 210-238 mg/person/day Average non-USA 76 mg/person/day
see previous item, also the item before that stating "worldwide defense has gotta be supported somehow"
Obesity / Over-weight USA 64.5%
how does that square with your poverty level stats?
Trust people USA 44% Canada 53% Denmark 58% Norway 65%
hmm, Stang sucks at the teat of the U.S. military, badmouths the US every chance he gets in the forums, and wonders why people in the USA don't trust people.
Annihlation of native Americans 20,000,000 comprising 5,000,000 democides (estimated)
being part native american on both sides, i'd ask you, what do you think happened to all of them? and, i don't really trust any stats you give, on a stat like this you are likely to search for peak estimates
American run sweatshops You do the research
hey, YOU do it. also reference previous item re poverty levels.
Slaves in America in 1810 1,200,000
so, what year are you living in? and how many slaves were there worldwide in 2004?
Originally posted by zeeblebotYou're wrong. To quote:
Originally posted by STANG
Annihlation of native Americans 20,000,000 comprising 5,000,000 democides (estimated)
being part native american on both sides, i'd ask you, what do you think happened to all of them? and, i don't really trust any stats you give, on a stat like this you are likely to search for peak estimates[b]
"I can't confidently estimate the number of unnatural deaths (i.e. indictable killings, as a result of violence and oppression, both direct [war, murder, execution] and indirect [famine, avoidable disease]) among Amerindians across the centuries, but as a guess, I'd say 20 million, for no reasons other than it's half of the original 40M, and it seems to be near the median of the 4 previous estimates. (Rummel, Barrett, Althea, Stannard)"
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm
Originally posted by zeeblebotYou obviously didn't read all the details in the reference I provided ... but I'd like to thankyou for bouncing this thread up to the top of the threads.
hahaha ...
"I can't confidently estimate ... but as a guess .... "
if you're going to blame disease on the europeans, how about the return trip, the syphilis epidemics in Europe after Columbus returned?
Originally posted by STANGMy political views and zeeblebot's are probably diametrically opposed, but I'd rather read his posts than yours any day. Except for the humorous, non-political one Delmer spotted the other day. Hope that wasn't a flash in the pan.
You obviously didn't read all the details in the reference I provided ... but I'd like to thankyou for bouncing this thread up to the top of the threads.
Your thread being at the top means absolutely nothing.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageReally ?
My political views and zeeblebot's are probably diametrically opposed, but I'd rather read his posts than yours any day. Except for the humorous, non-political one Delmer spotted the other day. Hope that wasn't a flash in the pan.
Your thread being at the top means absolutely nothing.
Originally posted by zeeblebotgosh, that's unpleasant
Originally posted by STANG
[b]Number of executions in 1998 USA 68 Egypt 48 Vietnam 18 Pakistan 4
so the U.S. is approximately 16.5 times more advanced in this area than Pakistan, 68/0 times more advanced than the E.U., and approximately 15,000 executions behind where it would need to be to achieve parity with and justice for the homicide victims in 1998.
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Ecological footprint in hectares per person USA 12.22 Canada 7.66 Japan 5.94 China 1.84
Nuclear weapons USA 7,500 China 1,000 France 350 United Kingdom 200-300
Military spend USA $370.7 billion China $67.49 billion Israel $9.11 billion Vietnam $650 million
Obesity / Over-weight USA 64.5%
American run sweatshops You do the research
Poverty USA 12% China 10% France 6.5% Taiwan 1%
Prisoners per 100,000 people USA 715 Russia 584 Iran 226 Israel 174
Number of executions in 1998 USA 68 Egypt 48 Vietnam 18 Pakistan 4
Annihlation of native Americans 20,000,000 comprising 5,000,000 democides (estimated)
Slaves in America in 1810 1,200,000
Originally posted by STANGSome things to note:
Number of executions in 1998 USA 68 Egypt 48 Vietnam 18 Pakistan 4
Drug offences per 100,000 people USA 560.1 Canada 285.5 France 176.1 Denmark 17.7
Prisoners USA 2,078,570 China 1,549,000 Russia 846,967 India 313,635
Prisoners per 100,000 people USA 715 Russia 584 Iran 226 Israel 174
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American run sweatshops You do the research
Slaves in America in 1810 1,200,000
I have never been executed.
I have never taken illegal drugs. I do not even smoke.
I have never been jailed.
I have never raped anyone or been raped.
I have never robbed anyone.
I do not live in poverty.
I am guilty of spending money on weapons(military reply)
I have no nuclear weapons on my premises.
no clue what you mean about ecological footprint
I drink alot of pop... so does everyone else.
i get alot of caffeine
I am not overweight. Seems like a high number, probally mostly old people who have done their due and deserve to sit back and get fat.
I trust people as far as my scope can accurately put a bullet in their head.
I never killed a native american.
I have never ran or worked in a sweat shop. also, probally all countries have them.
I currently own 3 slaves. I am typing on one now.(computers)
I am an american 🙂
Definitions of ecological footprint on the Web:
a calculation that estimates the area of Earth's productive land and water required to supply the resources that an individual or group demands, as well as to absorb the wastes that the individual or group produces.
www.pbs.org/strangedays/glossary/E.html
The area of land and water required to support a defined economy or human population at a specified standard of living indefinitely, using prevailing technology.
www.esd.rgs.org/glossarypopup.html
The amount of space or the environment necessary to produce the goods and services necessary to support a particular lifestyle
www.isye.gatech.edu/~tg/publications/ecology/eolss/node2.html
a measure of how much land and water is needed to produce the resources we consume and to dispose of the waste we produce.
www.epa.qld.gov.au/environmental_management/sustainability/industry/sustainability_roadmap/glossary/
A measure of the 'load' imposed by a given population on nature. It represents the land area necessary to sustain current levels of resource consumption and waste discharge by that population.
www.pce.govt.nz/reports/pce_reports_glossary.shtml
the amount of land, water and air required to support each person
www.globaleducation.edna.edu.au/globaled/go/cache/offonce/pid/1965
is the area of land and water required to support a defined economy or population at a specified standard of living. Industrialized economies are considered to require far more land than they have, thus, through trade, impacting on resources in other countries. Also known as 'appropriated carrying capacity', this concept also incorporates the distributional aspects of sustainable production and consumption.
www.bathurstsustainabledevelopment.com/terms_and_concepts_related_to_su.htm
A tool for determining if our lifestyles are sustainable . Categories of human consumption translate into areas of productive land required to provide resources and assimilate waste products. The “footprint” is total amount of land required for food, housing, transport, consumer goods, and services. This approach shows that the most advanced countries consume and have a larger footprint on the earth than the rest of the planet.[iii]
www.csbsju.edu/environmentalstudies/curriculum/greenbuildingplan/Green%20Building%20Plan%20p12.htm
A link between human lifestyles and ecosystems, which allows people to visualize the impact of their consumption patterns and activities on ecosystems.
www.environment.nelson.com/0176169040/glossary.html
The impact of an entity, for example a person, city or country, on local, regional and global ecosystems. It is a measure of direct and indirect consumption of resources and production of wastes.
www.powerhousemuseum.com/education/ecologic/glossary.htm
The area of land required to provide the resources consumed by an individual, city or nation. By calculating the ‘environmental footprint’ the extent to which a person is utilising more or less than their fair sustainable share of the worlds resources can be shown.
www.idea-knowledge.gov.uk/idk/core/page.do
An ecological footprint is the measure of how much land and water area a human population needs to produce the resources required to sustain itself and to absorb its wastes, given prevailing technology. It is used as a resource management tool.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_footprint
Originally posted by STANGone reason we each need a bigger footprint is that we are supplying worldwide security, gratis.
Definitions of ecological footprint on the Web:
a calculation that estimates the area of Earth's productive land and water required to supply the resources that an individual or group demands, as well as to absorb the wastes that the individual or group produces.
www.pbs.org/strangedays/glossary/E.html
The area of land and water required to support a d ...[text shortened]... chnology. It is used as a resource management tool.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_footprint