19 Apr 09
From the article:
“Open up the door of hope,” Mr. Calderon said.
Wow.
What Mr. Calderon is admitting is that Mexico is hopeless and the people have no other hope than to leave.
Imagine President Obama telling Americans, ‘your only hope is to leave’.
Might happen sooner than we thought.
19 Apr 09
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What is so difficult to understand, Samantha, that Mexico has a corrupt elite ruling it for the benefit of a few families?
Do you think the country is democratic at all?
Do you think there are no Mexican (nor Americans) benefiting from the status quo (both of the economy and the drug war)?
Do you think the 50 million Mexicans living in misery do so because they like it?
Why do Mexicans who are poor in Mexico, end up flourishing in the U.S. or other countries they emigrate to?
The country is a Failed State, because it has been milked as a cow for most of its existence, and because some benefit from keeping it that way.
The only regret I have regarding Mexico, is that the 40 or 50 million poor are too brainwashed or are too disorganized (or even lack the nerve) to start a bloody revolution.
19 Apr 09
Originally posted by Sam The ShamThat's not even in the article posted on this thread, so are you both wrong and a liar or just wrong? Perhaps you made a mistake? What line are you talking about? Did you get lost and follow a Nativist link that led you astray?
From the article:
“Open up the door of hope,” Mr. Calderon said.
Wow.
What Mr. Calderon is admitting is that Mexico is hopeless and the people have no other hope than to leave.
Imagine President Obama telling Americans, ‘your only hope is to leave’.
Might happen sooner than we thought.
In fact, Calderon is on the record many times saying that his goal is to create the growth and jobs that will prevent the emigration out of Mexico to higher growth US.
Challenge: cite your quote with a line#.
19 Apr 09
Originally posted by SeitseCompared to who? You are about 15 years behind the times on Mexico, Seitse.
What is so difficult to understand, Samantha, that Mexico has a corrupt elite ruling it for the benefit of a few families?
Do you think the country is democratic at all?
Do you think there are no Mexican (nor Americans) benefiting from the status quo (both of the economy and the drug war)?
Do you think the 50 million Mexicans living in misery do so b ...[text shortened]... e too brainwashed or are too disorganized (or even lack the nerve) to start a bloody revolution.
Other than Chile, Mexico has done more than most of Latin America in the last 15 years to reduce poverty, grow its economy, and strengthen its democracy. This is why the PRI lost its absolute majority in its legislative body in 1997, why the PRI lost the Presidency in 2000, why the PRI finally dropped to third in the last Presidential elections of 2006, why Mexico's now got the highest income per capita of Latin America, etc. Doesn't sound like a failed state to a careful observer who isn't trying to write an exciting story.
If there is a model for revolution in Latin America, it's a model towards political instability such as in Haiti and Bolivia: two of the poorest nations in Latin America. Mexico's last economic crash was in 1995 when a small group of revolutionaries bought the whole violence-as-a-solution mantra and held an uprising in Chiapas. Investors fled scared, capital moved out of the country, the currency could no longer be supported within its old band system, and boom, economic crash.
Let's not forget that the Nicaraguans tried revolution and communism and they are also in the bottom of the economic ladder now.
Mexico and Chile richest in Latin America, violent revolutionists poorest. Still I always hear Americans saying the same thing when they hear a politically leftist voter complain about the PAN or the past, they also say a revolt is best. What about in your own countries? Do the disagreements of other politically inclined complainers and relative economic weakness versus the US make your homeland ripe for revolt?
Thanks for letting me vent though, I just had to make that point about recommending revolt?
19 Apr 09
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Originally posted by SeitseI still love listening to kiss(the rock band,not the song by TACKAPBFAWBTTAFKATS***) loud in my purple slk(I roll on 22's man) I wear my sunglasses at night and I clap when the plane lands, ju got a problem with dat man?
Tú hablas English, wetback?
*** The artist currently known as Prince but for a while back then the artist formerly known as the same
19 Apr 09
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Originally posted by eljefejesusDon't you try to teach a Mexican political refugee about Mexico, fool.
Compared to who? You are about 15 years behind the times on Mexico, Seitse.
Other than Chile, Mexico has done more than most of Latin America in the last 15 years to reduce poverty, grow its economy, and strengthen its democracy. This is why the PRI lost its absolute majority in its legislative body in 1997, why the PRI lost the Presidency in 2000, hanks for letting me vent though, I just had to make that point about recommending revolt?
19 Apr 09
Originally posted by SeitseIn other words, Mexicans need to have a greater incentive to solve their own problem. That's what a closed border would hopefully do.
The only regret I have regarding Mexico, is that the 40 or 50 million poor are too brainwashed or are too disorganized (or even lack the nerve) to start a bloody revolution.
19 Apr 09
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Originally posted by SleepyguyOnly if you want Mexicans to rightfully impale and lapidate Americans after they're done with hanging the corrupt Mexican politicians.
In other words, Mexicans need to have a greater incentive to solve their own problem. That's what a closed border would hopefully do.
Sounds nice, actually.
* Don't forget that MANY Americans benefit from the great business made between U.S. politicians/corporations and the corrupt Mexican elite.
Perhaps you should check the tag of your t-shirt or where some parts of your car are manufactured, for example.
19 Apr 09
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Originally posted by SeitseI say we drive up a $100 trillion dollar deficit and just walk away and let them take over the whole mess. In fact, perhaps that is the plan!!! Its kinda like knowing your going to die but before you do you max out all your credit cards and then let someone else deal with the mess later. 😛
Mexicans are retaking the stolen land. That's all.
Then again, the rate we are going in spending we may have to find another home pretty darn quick!!!
19 Apr 09
Originally posted by SeitseThe only regret I have regarding Mexico, is that the 40 or 50 million poor are too brainwashed or are too disorganized (or even lack the nerve) to start a bloody revolution.
What is so difficult to understand, Samantha, that Mexico has a corrupt elite ruling it for the benefit of a few families?
Do you think the country is democratic at all?
Do you think there are no Mexican (nor Americans) benefiting from the status quo (both of the economy and the drug war)?
Do you think the 50 million Mexicans living in misery do so b ...[text shortened]... e too brainwashed or are too disorganized (or even lack the nerve) to start a bloody revolution.
wait, didn't they have a revolution about a hundred years ago?
A revolution would only create another civil war, the result would be the collapse of the economy, so don't even think about it.