Debates
11 Oct 21
@kevcvs57 saidBeing the “wrong side of 60” you probably can’t afford to.
But Brexit is a good start on the road to a total meltdown of our economic and political system. Personally I cannot wait.
Well it’s been five and half years since the referendum when all the doom-n-groomers predicted unemployment to immediately go through the roof, it didn’t of course. In fact the UK went from strength to strength.
Now we are way past Brexit an coming out of a pandemic with our economic indicators in a good place and unemployment lower than anyone expected. Tough times for sure.
Then let’s look at the EU, standing well back out of sight of their treaty responsibilities as the French start behaving to type because they have to toe the line. Of course there is a Presidential election coming so Macron is flexing.
Good times.
@kevcvs57 saidAh I see, the issue is not that the Tories are doing some things right or that Labour are a bunch of infighting headless chickens, it’s everyone else in the country who doesn’t care about the poor and starving. Right.
The poor are still a minority and our scumbag society will not change until the wheels come off for the majority.
@eintaluj saidActually, the EU is basically a secularised Roman Catholic project ( an attempt to reconstruct something along the lines of the fairly benign Habsburg "liberal autocracy" ). It's generally been the Catholic countries that have favoured "ever closer union"... along with religiously mixed Germany, which does so in part for obvious historical reasons - though it's also notable that the pre-1989 West Germany was much more Catholic than historic Germany, since most of the historically Protestant regions had ended up in the Communist East, and that West German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer, one of the EU's founding fathers, was a devout Catholic. Four of the six countries that signed the Treaty of Rome were majority Catholic; the other two had sizable Catholic minorities.
However, I have one idea as well. Perhaps what is going on in Europe concerning Poland should be considered as a tacit attempt to convert the Catholicians into Protestantism. Again that religious war that was kept centuries ago.
Although there is Euroscepticism in some Catholic countries at some times, this is usually situational, e.g., modern anti-EU feeling in Italy can largely be attributed to the fact that the Italian economy was shackled twenty years ago to an unsuitable currency; in Poland, still devout Catholics reject the recently secularised values of the western part of the continent.
Historically Protestant countries, by contrast, have been generally much less committed to the EU and certainly opposed to its centralising tendencies. Only Finland, Estonia and Latvia have been fully committed to the project, and that is surely because they have a threatening neighbour to the East. The Dutch think the EU should be a mere trading mechanism; the Danes and Swedes declined to join the single currency; the Norwegians and Icelanders never joined at all (and neither did Switzerland, majority Protestant until the 1970s); while we in Britain left. This doesn't really surprise me. After all, Henry VIII's reformation was the first Brexit vote!
The arrogance of some Remainers, the love of Rome, the rise the of EU Empire.
”I can understand and forgive ignorance, but it is asking too much to accept it when it is accompanied by egregious arrogance, as we see even among those Remainers who are obviously literate, even littérateurs. I can only think it is due to an inability to distinguish between what the European Project means to them, and what it actually is. The EU is adept at the emotional management of us by signs, symbols and words, which we use to process our perceptions of reality. Its cheerleaders in Britain are so wedded to the groupthink that they cannot see that the EU is institutionally antidemocratic; it wields the Ring of Power that even Gandalf feared to handle, and like groupthinkers they feel compelled to misrepresent and despise those who disagree with them. The English intellectual, unable to see what is in front of his nose, instead looks down it at the rest of us.”
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-ignorance-and-arrogance-of-the-remainers/
@divegeester saidLol for conservativewoman read twisted tart what a waste of space that is.
The arrogance of some Remainers, the love of Rome, the rise the of EU Empire.
”I can understand and forgive ignorance, but it is asking too much to accept it when it is accompanied by egregious arrogance, as we see even among those Remainers who are obviously literate, even littérateurs. I can only think it is due to an inability to distinguish between what the Eur ...[text shortened]... est of us.”
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-ignorance-and-arrogance-of-the-remainers/
She sounds like just your kind of Eva Von Braun mate you should chance your arm there 😉
@divegeester saidClearly not enough to stop voting Tory no, not even when they rip £80 a month from the larders of the poorest of us.
Ah I see, the issue is not that the Tories are doing some things right or that Labour are a bunch of infighting headless chickens, it’s everyone else in the country who doesn’t care about the poor and starving. Right.
You need to decide if you dislike populism or not dive. Or is it populism when you don’t agree with the policy and democracy when you do.
The fact that the Labour Party has a frustrated scout leader in charge does not make Johnson any less of an idiot than he obviously is.
@divegeester saidLol yeah we got that wrong now we cannot get lorry drivers or fruit pickers to fill the jobs that are there. Go brexit 👍
Being the “wrong side of 60” you probably can’t afford to.
Well it’s been five and half years since the referendum when all the doom-n-groomers predicted unemployment to immediately go through the roof, it didn’t of course. In fact the UK went from strength to strength.
Now we are way past Brexit an coming out of a pandemic with our economic indicators in a good p ...[text shortened]... oe the line. Of course there is a Presidential election coming so Macron is flexing.
Good times.
02 Nov 21
@kevcvs57 saidThanks for proving the point of the text.
Lol for conservativewoman read twisted tart what a waste of space that is.
She sounds like just your kind of Eva Von Braun mate you should chance your arm there 😉
@kevcvs57 said“Populism” what’s that then, another intellectual sneer at people (you consider to be) less intelligent than you 😂
Clearly not enough to stop voting Tory no, not even when they rip £80 a month from the larders of the poorest of us.
You need to decide if you dislike populism or not dive. Or is it populism when you don’t agree with the policy and democracy when you do.
The fact that the Labour Party has a frustrated scout leader in charge does not make Johnson any less of an idiot than he obviously is.
02 Nov 21
@kevcvs57 saidYou never answered my earlier question…
Lol yeah we got that wrong now we cannot get lorry drivers or fruit pickers to fill the jobs that are there. Go brexit 👍
Why is it you think people in this country don’t want to be lorry drivers here?
Think it through carefully.
02 Nov 21
@divegeester saidThanks for an insight into the worms that have taken up residence in your head post Brexit
Thanks for proving the point of the text.
@divegeester saidBecause the very same people who wanted the continental lorry drivers and farm workers out of the UK are nationalistic halfwits who had no intention of getting off their butts and doing anything as menial as either job.
You never answered my earlier question…
Why is it you think people in this country don’t want to be lorry drivers here?
Think it through carefully.
You should really get to know your base mate.
02 Nov 21
@kevcvs57 saidNo you’re wrong.
Because the very same people who wanted the continental lorry drivers and farm workers out of the UK are nationalistic halfwits who had no intention of getting off their butts and doing anything as menial as either job.
The reason no one want to be a lorry driver is because the wages and conditions are crap. And why are they crap? Because the like of you are happy for foreign workers to come over from the EU and work for crap pay and in crap conditions.
@divegeester saidHa er ok but maybe we should’ve trained up some home grown lorry drivers once the Brexit vote was done. But then you lot would’ve had to stop lying about what a nirvana the uk was gonna be post Brexit and that really isn’t an option for a Brexiteer is it.
No you’re wrong.
The reason no one want to be a lorry driver is because the wages and conditions are crap. And why are they crap? Because the like of you are happy for foreign workers to come over from the EU and work for crap pay and in crap conditions.
and the fruit pickers?
02 Nov 21
@kevcvs57 saidWhat? You seem not to understand that it follows you must treat with respect also those nations who have different views on sexuality. It also follows you have no right to suppress those minorities who have such a culture that some minorities inside that population are suppressed. Besides, I have NOT presented the argument you ascribe to me in your comment. You are slandering again, in the present case, not only POland but also me.
Treating people with respect regardless of gender identity, sexuality, ethnicity, religion etc is not culturally dependent, it is simply the right thing to do.
The argument that nations have a right to oppress their minorities is a non argument.