@sonhouse saidSonhouse, you fellers are writing all over the place. Let us discuss corp money, whatever, but can you first tell me why a student debt of a college graduate with a 2nd or 3rd level paying job should have his loan erased, but the non-college family guy does not have his mortgage, which is in arrears, erased .
@wildgrass
Joe ONLY loves government money given to corps, NEVER to actual humans on the ground for ANYTHING, SS, Medicare, subsidized housing, food stamps, unemployment benefits, military veteran GI bill, disabled vet help. But he goes all warm inside when GM gets a billion dollars from the government.
What if each of these guys were your brothers....which one would you help? Sonhouse? You can put Trump in your answer if you would like.
@averagejoe1 saidSomehow you love these analogies but cannot tackle the boondoggle of corporate welfare.
Sonhouse, you fellers are writing all over the place. Let us discuss corp money, whatever, but can you first tell me why a student debt of a college graduate with a 2nd or 3rd level paying job should have his loan erased, but the non-college family guy does not have his mortgage, which is in arrears, erased .
What if each of these guys were your brothers....which one would you help? Sonhouse? You can put Trump in your answer if you would like.
Life's not fair Joe. Get over it.
@wildgrass saidBut you suggest, then, that corporate welfare has something to do with the subject of this thread?
Somehow you love these analogies but cannot tackle the boondoggle of corporate welfare.
Life's not fair Joe. Get over it.
OK, make it interesting.....tell us what corporate welfare has to do with making a choice to a) pay off the debt of a college graduate , or b)apply such monies instead to keep a pitiful non-college person out of foreclosure, which will be hell for him and his family.
@averagejoe1 saidUh, no. Libs don't think that.
Gotta say, I like your 'life is not fair' comment. Do not libs think that everything should be fair......that, like Kamala put it, 'at the end of the day, we all end up at the same place.
You've been saying throughout this entire thread that student loan forgiveness isn't fair. Sheesh.
@wildgrass saidBut Kamala thinks that, (all equal) , she being as liberal as communist Chinese. (is Chinese a noun or an adjective?) If I say Chinaman Suzy will call me out racist!!
Uh, no. Libs don't think that.
You've been saying throughout this entire thread that student loan forgiveness isn't fair. Sheesh.
So , I don't think that either. Libs and me think, then, that we will never end up the same at the end of the day. (We will Not be Equal). Common Ground wildgrass,,,,a subject deserving of its own thread.
YOu start it. Your opening line could be 'Some people work harder than others", then introduce it, and I will take it from there.
Dude, man. Slay!
@averagejoe1 saidYou've fallen into the "if any liberal thinks something, then all of them do" trap.
But Kamala thinks that, (all equal) , she being as liberal as communist Chinese. (is Chinese a noun or an adjective?) If I say Chinaman Suzy will call me out racist!!
So , I don't think that either. Libs and me think, then, that we will never end up the same at the end of the day. (We will Not be Equal). Common Ground wildgrass,,,,a subject deserving of its own thr ...[text shortened]... e work harder than others", then introduce it, and I will take it from there.
Dude, man. Slay!
Lazy.
Some conservatives are Nazis. Let's not judge all eggs based on the broken ones.
Edit: I'm not even a lib. How'd I end up defending them? This forum is weird.
@wildgrass saidWell said, but in this venue we have to have a little leeway to make points. Generally, democrats are considered liberal, and republicans are considered conservative. Some repubs, like me are fiscally conservative, and socially liberal. For me, I cannot be liberal when it comes to aberrant or unnatural behavior, or liberal in the way of trying to get into someone else's business. I am REAL not into that part of socially Liberal. So that is me, and there are 330Million more various combinations.
You've fallen into the "if any liberal thinks something, then all of them do" trap.
Lazy.
Some conservatives are Nazis. Let's not judge all eggs based on the broken ones.
Edit: I'm not even a lib. How'd I end up defending them? This forum is weird.
So, as I say we can only generalize. A given.
@AverageJoe1
Well I can tell you this. MY mortgage is in trouble and my mortgage company is going over backwards to help. I just secured a decent job, getting close to 28 bucks an hour at a real high tech company and I will be able to make amends financially but it was their work that helped me out.
Like I said, you HATE the government giving ANYONE money.
If there was some bill passed to pay off ALL mortgages, you would bitch about THAT too.
Because it is CLEAR as a bell, you HATE government helping poor folks.
So how many homeless are you putting up in your hotels eh? Helping out in a feed line must really assuage your ego.
@wildgrass saidIf people do not like the terms of the loan they should not borrow the money. There are all sorts of loans. Why should one kind of loan be sanctioned while others are not? And isn't loan forgiveness a stab in the back to people that decided not to take on the burden of a student loan? How is that fair to them? If they knew the loans would be sanctioned in the future maybe they would have gone to college.
As has been repeatedly mentioned in this thread, it is not only student loans. Student loans were the exception until now.
Instead of for individuals, though, how about we do it for enormous multi-billion dollar industries?
[quote]The Sabine Pass LNG (liquefied natural gas) terminal, an $18 billion project from parent company Cheniere Energy, has existed for several y ...[text shortened]... evenue paid the mortgage for an oil company so they could boost profits by exporting overseas. Cool?
Address the real problem. Higher education is too expensive.
@sonhouse saidYour last 4 sentences......can you tell me what I am thinking right now?
@AverageJoe1
Well I can tell you this. MY mortgage is in trouble and my mortgage company is going over backwards to help. I just secured a decent job, getting close to 28 bucks an hour at a real high tech company and I will be able to make amends financially but it was their work that helped me out.
Like I said, you HATE the government giving ANYONE money.
If there wa ...[text shortened]... eless are you putting up in your hotels eh? Helping out in a feed line must really assuage your ego.
Do I like Michigan, or Alabama for the playoffs?
@metal-brain saidThese (this) question has been here for about 4 weeks, and liberals will not answer it. The Real issue, to me, is not how they might answer,,,,,,but, why don't they answer? Libs do not answer questions. Sincerely, AvJoe
If people do not like the terms of the loan they should not borrow the money. There are all sorts of loans. Why should one kind of loan be sanctioned while others are not? And isn't loan forgiveness a stab in the back to people that decided not to take on the burden of a student loan? How is that fair to them? If they knew the loans would be sanctioned in the future maybe they would have gone to college.
Address the real problem. Higher education is too expensive.
Some People Work Harder That Others
@averagejoe1 saidThe irony is that the people smart enough to pass up the loan are not going to college. Stupid people take on loans they cannot pay. The logical thing to do is make the student loans interest free or low interest. That way smart people go to college again.
These (this) question has been here for about 4 weeks, and liberals will not answer it. The Real issue, to me, is not how they might answer,,,,,,but, why don't they answer? Libs do not answer questions. Sincerely, AvJoe
Some People Work Harder That Others
@AverageJoe1
You don't want to take into account the fact a MILLION people are dead in the US alone from Covid and factories have closed and millions thrown out of jobs.
Unemployment lasts only a year max and this dam virus has been around for more than 2 years now.
I was fortunate to get the job I have now into my third week there but a lot of folks have trouble finding jobs in spite of the fact millions of jobs are going wanting.
The unemployment rate is under 4 % but that 4% may be the ones in the most trouble financially and medically.
I am fortunate to have a healthy body, not so sure of my mind🙂 but I am gainfully employed.
@metal-brain saidSanctions, tax rebates, subsidies, corporate welfare.
If people do not like the terms of the loan they should not borrow the money. There are all sorts of loans. Why should one kind of loan be sanctioned while others are not? And isn't loan forgiveness a stab in the back to people that decided not to take on the burden of a student loan? How is that fair to them? If they knew the loans would be sanctioned in the future maybe they would have gone to college.
Address the real problem. Higher education is too expensive.
These are the things that all smart corporations who make bad decisions thrive off. It's weird, and it's been weird for awhile, that only corporations benefit from these government sweetheart deals. It's time to end trickle down economics.