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@averagejoe1 said
Libs, who could not shoulder a rifle if you shouldered it for them, do not realize what soldiers do (lose limbs, PTS, etc) to earn the right to a college education.
'Nuff said.
42% of US military veterans in October 2020 planned to vote for Biden, according to one poll. Yeah, I guess they're all commie libtards.

https://www.kpbs.org/news/midday-edition/2020/10/29/veterans-usually-vote-strongly-republican-polls-su

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@kellyjay said
I gave up a few years of my life during Vietnam for the "old GI Bill," it was part of
the service package, not a gift or handout after the fact. It allowed me to go to
school and saved me money, but it didn't cover all the expenses. I still had to take
out loans that were paid back while going to school and working two part-time
jobs. So one guy in the office wants to give away taxpayer money, not Congress,
whose job is to deal with the government purse.
Oh yes, the "military valor" card. Well played, but unconvincing.

Aren't you angry that anyone who has been in the military for only 90 days, saw no combat, did no tour of duty, and was merely not dishonorably discharged is eligible for the same benefits?

A sizable number of US military personnel never see combat, much less suffer injury in battle. To be ideologically consistent it seems you should be opposed to them getting any goodies.

What if Congress were to formally approve Biden's partial loan forgiveness program? You're making noises like you might change your mind about it then -- but yeah, let's be serious, you wouldn't.

Some change their minds to suit the facts, and others change the facts to suit their minds. You're #2.

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@soothfast said
42% of US military veterans in October 2020 planned to vote for Biden, according to one poll. Yeah, I guess they're all commie libtards.

https://www.kpbs.org/news/midday-edition/2020/10/29/veterans-usually-vote-strongly-republican-polls-su
I am naive on that matter, I just have to assume that the military works for the government. Has to be confusing for them. They prob like fighting for a real leader, in Trump, but imagine fighting for the likes of Biden. Imagine.
Hard to imagine military wetting their beds, agonizing over everything, but it cannot be eazy. Opps, a myspell.

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@soothfast said
Oh yes, the "military valor" card. Well played, but unconvincing.

Aren't you angry that anyone who has been in the military for only 90 days, saw no combat, did no tour of duty, and was merely not dishonorably discharged is eligible for the same benefits?

A sizable number of US military personnel never see combat, much less suffer injury in battle. To be ideolog ...[text shortened]... e change their minds to suit the facts, and others change the facts to suit their minds. You're #2.
Nothing about my stance is angry; regarding your respect for military service, what
does that have to do with anything, combat or otherwise? I don't envy anyone
eligible for military benefits getting them, regardless of what they did or did not
go through. Anyone who enlisted by that act alone did more than someone who
took on a loan, and now others have to pay for it. Also, please don't speak for me
about what I would or wouldn't do; you have no idea.

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@kellyjay said
Nothing about my stance is angry; regarding your respect for military service, what
does that have to do with anything, combat or otherwise? I don't envy anyone
eligible for military benefits getting them, regardless of what they did or did not
go through. Anyone who enlisted by that act alone did more than someone who
took on a loan, and now others have to pay for it. Also, please don't speak for me
about what I would or wouldn't do; you have no idea.
Losers with loans don't lose limbs and their minds while playing their way thru college.
I must have missed something.....is someone trying to equate free college et al for men fighting for our country with frisbee-playing losers getting free college while whiling away their time in college towns?

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@AverageJoe1
Considering you never served a day of military you have no claim to any special knowledge like those of us who DID. You really need professional psychiatric help. You are one sick puppy.

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@sonhouse said
@AverageJoe1
Considering you never served a day of military you have no claim to any special knowledge like those of us who DID. You really need professional psychiatric help. You are one sick puppy.
? What? special knowledge? Are you angry, what is it?

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Why only student loans? Education is important, sure. I get that, but lots of things are important. Shelter is important. Gonna forgive home loans?

Do student loans charge interest? If so, I could support making them interest free loans.

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@metal-brain said
Why only student loans? Education is important, sure. I get that, but lots of things are important. Shelter is important. Gonna forgive home loans?

Do student loans charge interest? If so, I could support making them interest free loans.
Why not outlaw tow lanes, sales tax, the death tax the list can on and on if we're
about helping out people who need it go after the biggest hitters the government
itself is responsible for with all taxpayers, not just the ones who actually signed up
to take on the burden they are not removing, only giving lip service to?

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@averagejoe1 said
I am naive on that matter
You're not fooling anyone, joey-boy.

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@metal-brain said
Why only student loans? Education is important, sure. I get that, but lots of things are important. Shelter is important. Gonna forgive home loans?

Do student loans charge interest? If so, I could support making them interest free loans.
As has been repeatedly mentioned in this thread, it is not only student loans. Student loans were the exception until now.

Instead of for individuals, though, how about we do it for enormous multi-billion dollar industries?

The Sabine Pass LNG (liquefied natural gas) terminal, an $18 billion project from parent company Cheniere Energy, has existed for several years, but just completed two substantial aspects of the site in 2017. In the same year, $516.3 million, from local sources, went towards property tax abatements for the company. The Sabine Project has had a major impact on the U.S.'s role in the oil and gas industry as a whole: U.S. exports of liquefied natural gas skyrocketed in 2018, a turn which is in large part due to the Sabine Pass' ability to export 2.8 billion cubic feet of LNG a day.

In short, local tax revenue paid the mortgage for an oil company so they could boost profits by exporting overseas. Cool?

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@wildgrass said
As has been repeatedly mentioned in this thread, it is not only student loans. Student loans were the exception until now.

Instead of for individuals, though, how about we do it for enormous multi-billion dollar industries?

[quote]The Sabine Pass LNG (liquefied natural gas) terminal, an $18 billion project from parent company Cheniere Energy, has existed for several y ...[text shortened]... evenue paid the mortgage for an oil company so they could boost profits by exporting overseas. Cool?
Why be glib on this issue? Do a thread on job-creating corps, but can you not simply consider using the money (earmarked for tuitions) for the more deserving among us? Be a good Socialist! There are families for god sakes who cannot make ends meet, for whatever reason, that are months behind on their mortgages. A pressing issue.
I have pointed out that my $5000 salary in 1968 was the equivalent of 100,000 in today’s dollars as far as lawyer salaries go. So, if I was able to pay off my student loan, with my salary, why cannot today’s graduate pay off his loan with $100,000 salary ?

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Because the cost of tuition and housing and food and cars and insurance goes up every year and when they graduate they might have 200 THOUSAND to pay back. I guess if they could go without food and live on the street they could pay it back in only two years if they make 100K a year.
So the loan takes say 2000 bucks a month to pay back, doesn't leave much to save for a home does it?
So the choice is live in subsidized housing, ride the bus to work till ten years later it is almost paid off.

I don't suppose it would suit you if the companies hiring those young lawyers would pay off the debt as part of their employment would it. There are many jobs now giving hiring incentives so why not that.

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@averagejoe1 said
Why be glib on this issue? Do a thread on job-creating corps, but can you not simply consider using the money (earmarked for tuitions) for the more deserving among us? Be a good Socialist! There are families for god sakes who cannot make ends meet, for whatever reason, that are months behind on their mortgages. A pressing issue.
I have pointed out that my $5000 sala ...[text shortened]... my student loan, with my salary, why cannot today’s graduate pay off his loan with $100,000 salary ?
Sure, the various benefits of other gov't giveaways is debatable. That's not what I wrote.

I was answering the "WHY ONLY STUDENT LOANS???" madness by pointing out that the government gives away hundreds of billions to for-profit corporations. It's not just student loans.

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@wildgrass
Joe ONLY loves government money given to corps, NEVER to actual humans on the ground for ANYTHING, SS, Medicare, subsidized housing, food stamps, unemployment benefits, military veteran GI bill, disabled vet help. But he goes all warm inside when GM gets a billion dollars from the government.

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