Debates
23 Aug 22
30 Aug 22
@wildgrass saidYou would have to define 'Republicans give away (money)". Do they? Do they give free money to people? I dont think I have to define that, BTW.
It is fine to say that one type of loan forgiveness is better than another but they're both loan forgiveness. A government can also reduce ones tax bill which is the same fundamental premise targeting a different demographic.
These distinctions are value judgements as to what type of people government wants to support.
And I'm not a liberal Joe. I'm a numbers guy. I s ...[text shortened]... an dims. trump's deficit number makes me want to vomit.
Spend less money. Is it really that hard?
@techsouth saidNo, only the congress can spend money. Biden then is by definition a dictator. Which reminds me Sonhouse never did define democracy. He could not, because it would negate everything that he has ever written.
Are you even aware that there IS a Constitution?
Do you believe that Trump had the right to build a wall on the southern border regardless of what courts or congress had to say?
30 Aug 22
@kevcvs57 saidAs a general rule, do nurses, policeman and firefighters having to rely on food banks. I've personally known several people in all those occupations and not once have I known of one who needed a foodbank to get by.
And your doing your usual imaginary scenarios with no bearing on the actual world, student loans are by struggling nurses, carers, firefighters, policemen and women the sort of people that are too busy visiting food banks to arrange a family vacation to Europe.
Are you deciding who gets your vote based on the belief that nurses, firefighters and policemen are frequently having to depend on foodbanks to survive? If yes, can I suggest you go get to know some before the next election?
30 Aug 22
@kellyjay saidYep, the "old GI Bill." Nice for you, eh? How much you reckon that saved you in today's dollars?
I went on the old GI bill, and still had college debts that I took on and paid off.
I'm not the one taking part of my debt and now others have to pay it, which is
the bottom line.
The original GI bill, which ran from 1944 to 1956, disbursed $14.5 billion [1] to 7.8 million veterans [2]. That's about $1860 per veteran in 1944 - 1956 dollars, which is over $10,000 in 2022 dollars. Anyone in the military for at least 90 days who was not dishonorably discharged was eligible. In additional to covering a goodly chunk of educational expenses for many, it also offered a year of unemployment compensation, low-interest mortgages and loans, and more.
You'll now employ the artful dodge that today's students technically got a loan from the government instead of a freebie like you. The government is the people (refer to the first three words of the Constitution), and the people elected someone who ran on the promise to forgive at least a portion of student debt. A portion roughly equal to the value of your GI Bill deal. If you don't like it, too bad. Tell the GOP to not nominate a nutcase for prez next time.
And now for the pièce de résistance:
[1] By 1956, when the G.I. Bill expired, the education-and-training portion had disbursed $14.5 billion to veterans—but the Veterans Administration estimated the increase in Federal income taxes alone would pay for the cost of the bill several times over. By 1955, 4.3 million home loans had been granted, with a total face value of $33 billion.
[2] Historians and economists judge the G.I. Bill a major political and economic success—especially in contrast to the treatments of World War I veterans—and a major contribution to U.S. stock of human capital that encouraged long-term economic growth.
[1] https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/servicemens-readjustment-act
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Bill
30 Aug 22
@averagejoe1 saidIf irony were a hallucinogen this remark would be an acid trip to the Outer Rim of the Star Wars galaxy.
It is obvious that you liberals resort to generalities when you are trying to avoid an issue.
@kellyjay saidNah, buddy, you just do not believe in the basic tenets of a representative democracy. You believe in a subsidized anarchism for yourself and the stingiest sort of authoritarianism for everyone else.
You are for the government rules without rights to the individual? If individual rights are done away with “for the good of the whole” we lose it all to total government rule, that never ends well.
30 Aug 22
@soothfast saidBe a man South fast. You are like the other creepy crawlers here who will not pay off the FHA starter home, but rather give money to college graduates who, like me, grew my life like crazy in just a few years. Give them money, but not the pipefitter who lives with two children in an FHA home with money problems.
Yep, the "old GI Bill." Nice for you, eh? How much you reckon that saved you in today's dollars?
The original GI bill, which ran from 1944 to 1956, disbursed $14.5 billion [1] to 7.8 million veterans [2]. That's about $1860 per veteran in 1944 - 1956 dollars, which is over $10,000 in 2022 dollars. Anyone in the military for at least 90 days who was not dishonorably d ...[text shortened]... es.gov/milestone-documents/servicemens-readjustment-act
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Bill
I’ll make it easy for you. You don’t have to answer the question with any of your stupid reasoning, but how about telling us why, why you liberals will not answer the question?
30 Aug 22
@averagejoe1 saidIf you ever say something coherent I promise to sit up and take notice. I recommend that you wipe the veneer of Teflon off your brain and let something sink in that did not issue from the tar pits of reactionary propaganda sites.
Be a man South fast. You are like the other creepy crawlers here who will not pay off the FHA starter home, but rather give money to college graduates who, like me, grew my life like crazy in just a few years. Give them money, but not the pipefitter who lives with two children in an FHA home with money problems.
I’ll make it easy for you. You don’t have to answer the ...[text shortened]... your stupid reasoning, but how about telling us why, why you liberals will not answer the question?
30 Aug 22
@mott-the-hoople saidActually I have had a long hard look and it did say those in full time work had an uptick in median wages but when those in all categories of work were looked at there is an uptick in poverty which suggests that there were less people getting part time/casual work which was caused by what exactly??
Trump had us on the right track…read the data in the link I gave.
People want to work. People on average had over $5000 per year MORE than they do now, and most of all, they were proud of themselves. biden gets installed and its right back on the plantation…over $700 per month less
There's a lovely graph that tracks percentage in poverty over the years and it's interesting to look at when poverty decreased and during which administration. Here's a tip, it generally declined during Democrat led administrations.
@techsouth saidThey don’t give a shyte. You know Sonhouse says zombies all the time, when in fact the Dems want nurses and firemen to be zombies. Think about having them living on the plantation. Brrrrrrr
As a general rule, do nurses, policeman and firefighters having to rely on food banks. I've personally known several people in all those occupations and not once have I known of one who needed a foodbank to get by.
Are you deciding who gets your vote based on the belief that nurses, firefighters and policemen are frequently having to depend on foodbanks to survive? If yes, can I suggest you go get to know some before the next election?
I wonder what Biden will be reading tonight, it will make the earth tremble and the USA will be very proud. Well, except for the peaceful ranchers that live along the southern border of the United States, they are hoping to hear something that will relieve their nightmare of people coming in their yard and peeing in their garden and knocking on the door. And other stuff, 50 feet from their bedrooms. Why has there been no uprising against Biden?
30 Aug 22
@soothfast saidIs this coherent? Who is having the worst problem….college grads who have a loan to pay, as they start a successful life, or a plumber with 2 kids facing foreclosure?
If you ever say something coherent I promise to sit up and take notice. I recommend that you wipe the veneer of Teflon off your brain and let something sink in that did not issue from the tar pits of reactionary propaganda sites.
Standing by…..
30 Aug 22
@averagejoe1 saidThis is the post sootfadt says is not coherent. Will someone diagram it for us? I am curious myself!
Be a man South fast. You are like the other creepy crawlers here who will not pay off the FHA starter home, but rather give money to college graduates who, like me, grew my life like crazy in just a few years. Give them money, but not the pipefitter who lives with two children in an FHA home with money problems.
I’ll make it easy for you. You don’t have to answer the ...[text shortened]... your stupid reasoning, but how about telling us why, why you liberals will not answer the question?
30 Aug 22
@mott-the-hoople saidHow long can the country make it without consumers?
how long do you think you could make it without the farmers?