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23 Aug 22
29 Aug 22
@averagejoe1 saidTrue, our social programs are sadly deficient compared to the more prosperous societies of most of Europe, but they are a godsend that right wingers have fought against for more than a 100 years here.
SOCIAL PROGRAMS!!!!!!! Is everyone getting this? Anyone want to touch it with a 10-foot pole??? Jesus .
Gimme it!!
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29 Aug 22
@no1marauder saidyou seem to have trouble understanding what a tax cut is...what some idiotic thinking
The big giant tax cut. It forgoed a lot more revenue than Biden's student loan foregiveness plan, how come you and KJ aren't screaming about the taxpayers having to pay for it?
29 Aug 22
@mott-the-hoople saidAnd your solution to increasing poverty rates would be what exactly. Kill off all social welfare programs and give the rich more subsidies?
"The official poverty rate in 2020 was 11.4 percent, up 1.0 percentage point from 10.5 percent in 2019. This is the first increase in poverty after five consecutive annual declines (Figure 8 and Table B-4)."
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/stories/poverty-awareness-month.html
@no1marauder saidNow you dare say
I don't think I'll bother responding to any more of your idiotic ranting and raving.
I've outlined what the plan actually does not your ridiculous version of non-reality where taxpayers somehow "support" someone when a debt is partially discharged by the consent of the People. I give up trying to explain to the stupid that the net effect is of a targeted middle class ...[text shortened]... single day.
It's simply too exhausting to deal with people as moronic as Joe on a constant basis.
""Far more debts get discharged in bankruptcy courts or by mutual agreement every day""
Bankruptcy affects the losing party, or a bank, having extend credit to a debtor. Bank loses the money, period,,,,,,Or, a lumber supplier doesn't gat paid by a builder, who bankrupts.
Jesus, Maraduer, you take us all for idiots. The Federal Gov, in allowing 'borrowers', the students in this case, to not pay (FOREGO) the debt means that ALL of the taxpayers in America have to pay the debt of the student. Not near the same as bankruptcy, turkey. There are just Two parties in a bankruptcy. You are a turkey, and you take us all for turkeys.
Tsk, tsk, tsk,,,,,,,,,
30 Aug 22
@no1marauder saidWhatever, but methinks you are stretching things a bit to compare the 'prosperity' of whimpy societies in Europe with ours.
True, our social programs are sadly deficient compared to the more prosperous societies of most of Europe, but they are a godsend that right wingers have fought against for more than a 100 years here.
Say what you will, we are the most prosperous, strongest and richest society in the world, even with the unwanted running across the border into our country.
We have fought against social programs.?@!?!?!? Contrare', AvJoe often says we should take care of the 40M down-and-out in our country. Pay what it takes, make them whole. The others, tell them to fend for themselves. What else would you suggest?
You want the workers to feed and clothe the non-workers. Get yourself a plantation . Create dependents.
Pitiful.. You have had a bad week. Marx stood in the square on a box, but, it didnt work for him either !
30 Aug 22
@no1marauder saidTell us how our social programs are sadly deficient.
True, our social programs are sadly deficient compared to the more prosperous societies of most of Europe, but they are a godsend that right wingers have fought against for more than a 100 years here.
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30 Aug 22
@kmax87 saidTrump had us on the right track…read the data in the link I gave.
And your solution to increasing poverty rates would be what exactly. Kill off all social welfare programs and give the rich more subsidies?
People want to work. People on average had over $5000 per year MORE than they do now, and most of all, they were proud of themselves. biden gets installed and its right back on the plantation…over $700 per month less
@mott-the-hoople saidTaxes are compulsory payments to the government. If the government decides that tax money is no longer owed, but makes no commensurate cuts to the services it provides, then where does gov't get the money from? Who pays for the $60 billion bills for the millionaire farmers to keep the lights on? Who pays for building the football stadiums?
you seem to have trouble understanding what a tax cut is...what some idiotic thinking
30 Aug 22
@no1marauder saidYes, every time the government gives money away, it is borrowed money, and they
Actually, it is the same thing; it's something the government gives you to your advantage. The fact that prior individuals didn't receive the same benefit is not a valid argument against bestowing it now.
These people essentially had the take on the debt or forego the chance of getting a better education. These aren't the kids of the wealthy who didn't face such an ago ...[text shortened]... n more easily pay their bills and perhaps start businesses and families is a wise and humane policy.
give it away by the Trillions. When they give money away to help with programs
that are helping, there is no expectation that those being helped pay it back unless
they get taxed for the help, so they get debt from the government too.
A loan is not that type of help; there is a clear expectation of returning the money
borrowed, and now some are being treated differently, and the government debt
accumulated by giving the loans in the first place is still there it didn't go away
because the President, not Congress, wanted to say you don't have to pay it back,
taxpayers to eat that debt the government took on loaning that money.
Putting a happy spin on it doesn't detract from how others are paying for a loan
they didn't take out. I wonder if there are other loan-type deals that don't make
the news go unnoticed, where some no longer have to pay back money someone
in the government gives them?
30 Aug 22
@averagejoe1 saidYou also have some of the worst poverty and deprivation in the developed world, go figure.
Whatever, but methinks you are stretching things a bit to compare the 'prosperity' of whimpy societies in Europe with ours.
Say what you will, we are the most prosperous, strongest and richest society in the world, even with the unwanted running across the border into our country.
We have fought against social programs.?@!?!?!? Contrare', AvJoe often says we sho ...[text shortened]... ul.. You have had a bad week. Marx stood in the square on a box, but, it didnt work for him either !
30 Aug 22
@Mott-The-Hoople
Not that we need to understand you but to get through to your ultrarightwingnut buddies, you should learn to construct sentences a bit better.
30 Aug 22
@wildgrass saidAnd you recently told me I don't make sense? This does not make sense.
Taxes are compulsory payments to the government. If the government decides that tax money is no longer owed, but makes no commensurate cuts to the services it provides, then where does gov't get the money from? Who pays for the $60 billion bills for the millionaire farmers to keep the lights on? Who pays for building the football stadiums?
30 Aug 22
@kellyjay said
Yes, every time the government gives money away, it is borrowed money, and they
give it away by the Trillions. When they give money away to help with programs
that are helping, there is no expectation that those being helped pay it back unless
they get taxed for the help, so they get debt from the government too.
A loan is not that type of help; there is a clear expect ...[text shortened]... ews go unnoticed, where some no longer have to pay back money someone
in the government gives them?
there is a clear expectation of returning the money borrowed, and now some are being treated differently,
Is there not a clear expectation of paying taxes? How are those things not comparable? In both cases, money was owed to the government, and in both cases, some of that expected money owed to government was forgiven.
30 Aug 22
@no1marauder saidIf Hitler had promised to exterminate the Jews while campaigning, would he then not be a dictator when he carried it out? What does promises have to do whether someone is a dictator. (I am not comparing Biden to Hitler. I am just pointing out how that promising to act like a dictator and then doing it doesn't make one a non-dictator). Besides, for loan forgiveness, I think most of us took that to mean he'd push legislation through congress. Trump promised to build a wall, but most don't think his campaign promise in and of itself was enough to grant him authority to do it without legislative support.
Explain the concept of a "dictator" who actually keeps the promises he was elected on.
The Biden student loan foregiveness program is a fairly modest one which nonetheless will do quite a lot of good.
Biden is spending $300 billion + dollars with no congressional approval and a completely laughable legal justification.
Dictator for sure. We're only now discussing whether he is becoming benevolent dictator. Since I initially said he is becoming a benevolent dictator, you are not even disagreeing with me. You and I both are contending that he is a benevolent dictator.
30 Aug 22
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@techsouth saidNo you cannot be a dictator by election ( well you can give it a good go like trump did )
If Hitler had promised to exterminate the Jews while campaigning, would he then not be a dictator when he carried it out? What does promises have to do whether someone is a dictator. (I am not comparing Biden to Hitler. I am just pointing out how that promising to act like a dictator and then doing it doesn't make one a non-dictator). Besides, for loan forgiveness, ...[text shortened]... u are not even disagreeing with me. You and I both are contending that he is a benevolent dictator.
If he had promised to be a dictator and then outlawed future elections and made himself president for life he would then be a dictator.
But promising to do something YOU do not like and getting 80million votes based on that manifesto means he’s definitely not a dictator when he does it, it means he is faithful to the promise he made to the electorate.