Student Loan Forgiveness

@kmax87 said
Actually I have had a long hard look and it did say those in full time work had an uptick in median wages but when those in all categories of work were looked at there is an uptick in poverty which suggests that there were less people getting part time/casual work which was caused by what exactly??

Trump inherited an economy where poverty had been in a long decline. Do you think his isolationist anti China tariff war policies may have finally put an end to that trend?

@averagejoe1 said
Is this coherent? Who is having the worst problem….college grads who have a loan to pay, as they start a successful life, or a plumber with 2 kids facing foreclosure?
Standing by…..

Plumbers usually do pretty well. Not a job that can be outsourced, you know. I have a brother-in-law plumber who had a raft of kids and two houses fully paid for.

Anyway, that's but a minor example of your disconnection from reality. A lot of folks saddled with crushing student debt have been out of college for many years, have children of their own, and are facing foreclosure.

The problem, you see, is you present a question that cannot be readily answered because everyone's circumstances are different. You engineered this question knowing it cannot be answered with a fortune-cookie one-liner, so that you could deride long and considered responses as rambling or dodgy.

Your question, also by design, is meant to distract from the clear need to do something about student debt. It is also disingenuous insofar as it implicitly moots a false dichotomy; that is, to help a student struggling under debt means to deny Joe the Plumber redress for his own problems. Utter sophistry.

@soothfast said
Nah, buddy, you just do not believe in the basic tenets of a representative democracy. You believe in a subsidized anarchism for yourself and the stingiest sort of authoritarianism for everyone else.

Perfectly said.

@averagejoe1 said
They don’t give a shyte. You know Sonhouse says zombies all the time, when in fact the Dems want nurses and firemen to be zombies. Think about having them living on the plantation. Brrrrrrr
I wonder what Biden will be reading tonight, it will make the earth tremble and the USA will be very proud. Well, except for the peaceful ranchers that live along the southern ...[text shortened]... he door. And other stuff, 50 feet from their bedrooms. Why has there been no uprising against Biden?

One guess, genius.

@mott-the-hoople said
how long do you think you could make it without the farmers?

How ironic that you say this, considering that you and your cronies support the corporate practices that have led to the abandonment and selling at auction of generational family farms all over middle America.

@soothfast said
Plumbers usually do pretty well. Not a job that can be outsourced, you know. I have a brother-in-law plumber who had a raft of kids and two houses fully paid for.

Anyway, that's but a minor example of your disconnection from reality. A lot of folks saddled with crushing student debt have been out of college for many years, have children of their own, and are facing fo ...[text shortened]... struggling under debt means to deny Joe the Plumber redress for his own problems. Utter sophistry.

My premise is quite clear. Thanks for this example of goal post movement. You zero in on plumbers. Boy you nailed me southeast. I could have said that the owner of the FHA loan house is a guy who works at a donut shop, but no one eats them anymore.
Jesus.
You are getting worse than the jester.
Everyone, my point is clear and this loser, soouthfast, says 'he knows a guy' who is blah, blah, blah, blah. He knows a guy. This is a general premise, idiot.
Whatever, southfast. You like to type like Sonhouse likes to type.
If a guy graduates college with a loan, and our Govt pays it off, do you not think it would be better to payoff the FHA mtg of a guy who is eating soup with his daughter tonight facing foreclosure?

You are a pitiful. Everyone,... you chide average Joe a lot. But all of my adages are correct. This one??? This liberal will not answer my question.
Liberals dont answer questions. Soothfast, an obvious parasite, will not answer this question. Maybe Kev will???

@soothfast said
Plumbers usually do pretty well.

Does everyone see that this week debater does not get it?

@kmax87 said
Trump inherited an economy where poverty had been in a long decline. Do you think his isolationist anti China tariff war policies may have finally put an end to that trend?

Wharton would love you as a guest speaker. Are y’all hearing this character?

@suzianne said
One guess, genius.

Uhhhh, got me. He is Biden, after all. But, He’s your Biden.
Suzy…..do you think the US is going to hell. ? You got those who work, those who are illegal, those who want the stuff of others , those who think they should not pay their debts. Those who don’t work. Those who back criminals like Hillary. Those who suck up to Hunter …and Joe
Is all this good? Some of it bad? None bad? Did you see soothfast classic dodge here? Y’all were at the same campfire!!

@mott-the-hoople said
how long do you think you could make it without the farmers?

Yessss. I love it. Let's do this "how long can you make it without xxx?" game to justify all government expenditures. Let's do it until our eyes bleed TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN DEFICIT SPENDING TO JUSTIFY IT!!!


AGGGGH! The farmers hired an army of lobbyists to get their handouts.

Republicans are supposed to be conservatives. What the what happened? $7.9 Trillion in deficit spending and you still like the guy? Are you kidding?

@mott-the-hoople said
how long do you think you could make it without the farmers?

Mott - I was born and raised and still believe in conservative politics. But this is one of my favorite quotes.

"Every single Republican adminstration since 1952 has let the military-industrial complex loot the treasury and plunge the nation into debt on the excuse of a wartime emergency. Richard Nixon comes to mind along with Ronald Reagans trickle down theory of US economic policy. If the rich get richer, the theory goes, soon enough their pots will overflow and trickle to the poor who would rather eat scraps than nothing at all." - Hunter Thompson

What an absurd premise to justify government spending. Government spending is government spending is government spending. Republicans aren't conservatives. Look at the numbers and you see that Republicans are not good stewards of tax dollars.

@mott-the-hoople said
how long do you think you could make it without the farmers?

Are you a government lobbyist?

@mott-the-hoople said
how long do you think you could make it without the farmers?

I can't get over this comment, good lord.

The Trump welfare payments to farmers protected the farmers, not the food supply. The farmers wanted to ship their soybean crops overseas to China and elswehere because the profit margins were better (who can blame them for that?) but they were prevented from doing so because of tariffs and COVID shipping disruptions. Instead of eating their losses like normal businesses they hired an army of lobbyists to whine to Trump that the farmbelt would not vote for him unless he gave them $60 billion.

When's the last time you ate a soybean? Seriously.

@averagejoe1 said
My premise is quite clear. Thanks for this example of goal post movement. You zero in on plumbers. Boy you nailed me southeast. I could have said that the owner of the FHA loan house is a guy who works at a donut shop, but no one eats them anymore.
Jesus.
You are getting worse than the jester.
Everyone, my point is clear and this loser, soouthfast, says 'he know ...[text shortened]... answer questions. Soothfast, an obvious parasite, will not answer this question. Maybe Kev will???

The meat of my response to you, the actual counterpoints to your sophistry, does not in any way hinge on my anecdote about a plumber I know. If you read past my first paragraph you might have perceived that, but then again, you aren't here to listen or learn, you're here to rant your addled head off about whatever BS bubbles to the top of that ever-churning maelstrom of right-wing crap that is the baling wire and bubblegum of your broken soul.

@averagejoe1 said
Wharton would love you as a guest speaker. Are y’all hearing this character?

You may be right. Most of Wharton’s greatest economic theorists were Keynesian, and they would definitely reject the simplistic economically rationalist drivel promulgated by one of their most famous alumni, one Donald J Trump.