18 Jan 05
Originally posted by Joe FistVodka Martinis onthe other hand are just smashing 🙂 I too am coming to the end of my tether with these debates. I was full of enthsiasm this morning and now I feel like I've been banging my head against a brick wall all day. 😞
I hear ya. I almost wish we would block religious debates because they lead nowhere. At least with the preacher boys it does 🙁
"Gin Martinis suck!"
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18 Jan 05
Originally posted by StarrmanI guess I don't see the point of these debates. dj2becker (oops I mean) "BlindFaith101", RBHILL and the like are trying to accomplish what?
Vodka Martinis onthe other hand are just smashing 🙂 I too am coming to the end of my tether with these debates. I was full of enthsiasm this morning and now I feel like I've been banging my head against a brick wall all day. 😞
Are they trying to convert us? To what gain? Is there a quota they have to get so they can get into Heaven?
18 Jan 05
Originally posted by Joe FistI have no idea, I personally can't conceive of a state where reason is so absent. Well at least not without the aid of hallucinogens. It almost disturbs me to see someone who is so wrapped up in a belief that has no basis in rationality, that they cannot discuss that belief coherrently as its very essence is beyond the bounds of reason. In the same breath I almost admire them for their resistance. Then I remember what I'm discussing and just sigh heavily, very heavily. 😞
I guess I don't see the point of these debates. dj2becker (oops I mean) "BlindFaith101", RBHILL and the like are trying to accomplish what?
Are they trying to convert us? To what gain? Is there a quota they have to get so they can get into Heaven?
18 Jan 05
Originally posted by StarrmanAgreed. If there are angels in Heaven like the one you have in your picture then I might change my mind 😉
I have no idea, I personally can't conceive of a state where reason is so absent. Well at least not without the aid of hallucinogens. It almost disturbs me to see someone who is so wrapped up in a belief that has no basis in rationality, that they cannot discuss that belief coherrently as its very essence is beyond the bounds of reason. In the same brea ...[text shortened]... their resistance. Then I remember what I'm discussing and just sigh heavily, very heavily. 😞
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18 Jan 05
Originally posted by XanthosNZMan, I don't know where you guys get your information from, but to set the record straight:
The word of God says that the Earth and the rest of the universe was created out of nothing a couple of thousand years ago. Fossil and geological records say the Earth was created 3.45 billion years ago. Echoes from the Big Bang say the universe was created around 15 billion years ago. There are trees older than the Earth is supposed to be according to the ...[text shortened]... as only never been disproven because the believers don't listen when it is being proven wrong.
Science says the universe is 12 billion years old (not 15 billon).
So what does that mean? It means nothing... Yup, they claim they can see the expansion of the universe at what is estimated to be 12 billion light years away. I remember a few years ago when the capability of our telescopes could ony see objects at 10 billion light years away - so the general thinking was that the universe was 10 billion years old!
See how absurd it is to draw conclusions on our present-day evidence?
Also, many Jesus freaks (excuse the term) who are also into science calim that "we are ony discovering the methods God used to create the universe"... AND, they claim that "one of God's days could be a billion years for us!"
So believe or don't believe... but don't try to tell others that you can prove anything about God, and/or the finite structure of the universe.
19 Jan 05
Originally posted by XanthosNZThere was a Big Bang, out of the silence of nothing, GOD spoke.There shall be a time to come when clear understanding,will come to how old time is.
The word of God says that the Earth and the rest of the universe was created out of nothing a couple of thousand years ago. Fossil and geological records say the Earth was created 3.45 billion years ago. Echoes from the Big Bang say the universe was created around 15 billion years ago. There are trees older than the Earth is supposed to be according to the ...[text shortened]... as only never been disproven because the believers don't listen when it is being proven wrong.
19 Jan 05
Originally posted by arrakisWell you got thousands upon thousands of books that,double talk each other. We got one filled with the whole story. From the beginning to the end.
Man, I don't know where you guys get your information from, but to set the record straight:
Science says the universe is 12 billion years old (not 15 billon).
So what does that mean? It means nothing... Yup, they claim they can see the expansion of the universe at what is estimated to be 12 billion light years away. I remember a few years ago when the ...[text shortened]... ell others that you can prove anything about God, and/or the finite structure of the universe.