22 Jan 05
Originally posted by StarrmanGod will only SAVE people by using his believers. And yes that is all God work. How will someone know about Jesus unless they are told by a believer.
So let me get this straight, you're saying that you sin so that I can see your sin and repent? Lol, seriously?
RBHILL if you honestly believe that once you have supposedly been saved, you are now allowed to sin without repercussion because you are doing god's work, you are making a mockery of any sense of good that christianity might have.
22 Jan 05
Originally posted by StarrmanYou may think it is a mockery., because you are not a believer.
So let me get this straight, you're saying that you sin so that I can see your sin and repent? Lol, seriously?
RBHILL if you honestly believe that once you have supposedly been saved, you are now allowed to sin without repercussion because you are doing god's work, you are making a mockery of any sense of good that christianity might have.
22 Jan 05
Originally posted by RBHILLNo RB, I think it is a mockery because I have the intelligence and reasoning to realise that you are more wrapped up in the word than you are in th message behind it.
You may think it is a mockery., because you are not a believer.
I do not have any animosity towards you, I wish you to understand that, just because I am an atheist, does not mean I hate you or any other christians. I hope you believe this.
However I have to say that even if I was a christian I would accuse you of a lack of direction. You wander through these forums with such a clear sight of your destination that you forget both the reasons for your journey and the route you need to take. I hope you find your peace, because the road you are travelling is a stoney one.
22 Jan 05
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Originally posted by RBHILLI can and do blame God. He made a flawed species. 100% failure rate! Sounds like a design error to me.
You can't blame God for mans sin and mistakes, you can only blame yourself.
The real implication is that a book of 'absolute truth' must not have logical flaws. This is only one of many.
22 Jan 05
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Originally posted by geniusNobody makes God kill anyone. He is the one with the hangup about sins. God could choose to accept humans despite their sin.
what would you rahter have, then? your son given the most painful death known to man, or all of humanity the most painful death known.
If it is really true that Jesus was innocent and mankind guilty,and all sin must be punished by death and/or eternal torture, then there is no just choice but to destroy humanity. Any other choice is a perversion of justice. It is pointless to say God is without sin when he murders his own son.
22 Jan 05
Originally posted by RBHILLSo you admit that God himself sins, yet he exempts himself from his own rules? And has the audacity to cast humans into hell because they commit far lesser sins than murder?
Like I said God is the only one just to take a life. He can't sin by taking a life. He created the law you smart one. And the law only applys to Humans.
Ridiculous.
23 Jan 05
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemGod did not make a flawed species. God is perfect, and creates everything for a purpose. Because we are doomed to failure does not imply a design error. The only error is when people think they are perfect. Humankind is destined to fall short, that is why God gave his Son to die. His death is the payment for our shortcomings. If not for him, no one would have to worry about this debate, because we would all be going to hell.
I can and do blame God. He made a flawed species. 100% failure rate! Sounds like a design error to me.
The real implication is that a book of 'absolute truth' must not have logical flaws. This is only one of many.
23 Jan 05
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Originally posted by GWUchessmasterSo this here perfert God made all us flawed people so he could have us kill his son so the he wouldnt have to send us to the hell he made to put us flawed people in?
God did not make a flawed species. God is perfect, and creates everything for a purpose. Because we are doomed to failure does not imply a design error. The only error is when people think they are perfect. Humankind is destined ...[text shortened]... to worry about this debate, because we would all be going to hell.
That's just perfect!
23 Jan 05
Originally posted by frogstompOur perfect God created the human species on the sixth day for purposes of maintaining the world that He created. It was Adam and Eve who destined humankind to eternal sin when they broke God's law and ate the forbidden fruit. Because of their sin, all of humankind is prone to sinning. However, God sent His son to die (not so we would kill Him) as a payment for our sin. Those who accpet that they fall short of the glory of God and proclaim that Jesus Christ is their savior will not go to Hell. Those who are unwilling to make that decision are doomed to the eternal Hell.
So this here perfert God made all us flawed people so he could have us kill his son so the he wouldnt have to send us to the hell he made to put us flawed people in?
That's just perfect!
23 Jan 05
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemGOD did not sentence CHRIST to death,mankind did.GOD gave man a choice, in the garden of Eden. HE could have made us like the animals, created to be obedient without question. GOD punished man for his sin, of eating the fruit. He punished the woman, for being tricked. Why did HE punish the serpent? GENESIS 3:11-19
"gave" is too vague. What god allegedly did was sentence his own son to a horrible and brutal death. The bible would have us believe that God created and designed the human race, found out they were all faulty, and then blamed it on them. Objectively, [b]God should be faulted for making such a badly designed species.
I find no beauty in God s ...[text shortened]... imate mind-control device. How can you beat eternal torture? There is no threat more formidable.[/b]
You want man to be found faulty, but have you ever looked at sin, from GOD'S point of view?
23 Jan 05
Originally posted by StarrmanDo you want to be a robot,which has set duties,and cannot think for its self? Who is progamed to what ever it is told? Such as a computer which has to be pprogramed to fucntion?
Ummm, actually you can. If your god is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent, then he is ultimately responsible.
If he does not know that we will commit a sin, he is not omniscient. If he is omniscient, then he must have created us with the knowledge of our commitence of some future sin. As such we cannot bare the responsibility for that sin.
If h ...[text shortened]... sitics, you cannot claim he does not also shoulder the burden of responsibility for his actions.
Or would you rather be able to think for yourself? To be able to chose your own thoughts, to chose your own path in life?
Which you rather be the computer or the programer?
23 Jan 05
Originally posted by StarrmanDo you sin? why? Have you ever done wrong, and which that you could be forgiven? Have you ever hurt someone, so deeply that they could, not forgive you(include self as well)? Have you ever sought forgiveness and not get it, for what ever reason?
So let me get this straight, you're saying that you sin so that I can see your sin and repent? Lol, seriously?
RBHILL if you honestly believe that once you have supposedly been saved, you are now allowed to sin without repercussion because you are doing god's work, you are making a mockery of any sense of good that christianity might have.
Those that do GOD'S work and willfuly sin, and donot repent suffer the same punishment as an unberliever. So a believer has to practice all the teachings of CHRIST. But hat punishment is not given to a unbeliever, nor that condemnation. That condemnation and punishment comes from GOD, and GOD alone.
23 Jan 05
Originally posted by RBHILLAt one time believers were unbelievers. We said the same things to believers that are being said on this and other websites. Something happenened in our lives that allowed us to stop being stubborn and listen.We were allowed even through all the hurt and pain that, may have been in our life, we were able to hear that someone could heal us. Do think many of us did not come to CHRIST kicking and screaming, but we hear HE had to say, we began to hear what, THE WORD OF GOD, had to say.
God will only SAVE people by using his believers. And yes that is all God work. How will someone know about Jesus unless they are told by a believer.