THE WORD OF GOD

Originally posted by kirksey957
RB, one of the themes I am hearing from the "opposition" on these threads is that it may be possible to "be in Christ" with respect to one's behaviors and attitudes even while not being a "Christian." Does this make sense to you?

Let me try giving you a tangible example and ask you and Blindfaith to respond. I am hearing a lot from a couple of ...[text shortened]... g justice to the world. Is this not the Lord's work? I look forward to a thoughtful response.

If you your self are Born Again, then why do you argue with other believers about, non-believers works. They are not good works unless you do it for the glory of God.

Originally posted by RBHILL
God is just and can not sin. A creator can't sin. God is the only one who is just in taking a life, but yet is not a lier. out of the Book anatomy of a lie.

If ordering women and children to be put to the sword is just, then you use the term 'just' in a wholly different way than the rest of the world.

Originally posted by RBHILL
If you your self are Born Again, then why do you argue with other believers about, non-believers works. They are not good works unless you do it for the glory of God.

yeah-but a selfless act is still an act of God. it is harder for a rich man to enter heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of the a needle. i don't think people who are just inheritantly good shall go to heaven, unless what, as you say, they are doing they are doing for the glory of God. but i think that an act of God is different from doing something for the glory of God. if you see what i mean. although i've not read the last couple of posts in this thread and this post makes no sense as you are all now talking about quantum mechanics or what the highest paid job in a cuban cigar factory is...

(it's the guy who puts the cigars in the box, from light to dark, incase you are wondering...)

Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
So you agree that it is God who chooses to cast people into hell. The bible claims that "God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son". So God is revealed to be a sadist who offers his own for a blood sacrifice because he cannot tolerate even the slightest wrong done. Is that justice? Isn't god guilty of murder for killing an innocent ...[text shortened]... Andrea Yates off the hook if she claimed she was saving children across america for their sins?

but he wasn't innocent! that was the beauty of it!

well-he was, but when he was on the cross he died for our sin! he had done nothing wrong, but he took the burden of our sin off our shoulders and died so that we could go to heaven! he did it cause he loved us so much! would you rather loose your son, or loose the world? now imagine if your son had done nothing wrong. God gave his son. isn't that beautiful? that he loves us that much?!?

Originally posted by RBHILL
God is just and can not sin. A creator can't sin. God is the only one who is just in taking a life, but yet is not a lier. out of the Book anatomy of a lie.

He did sin. He murdered his own son, although the son had done nothing wrong. The ten commandments state "Thou shalt not kill!"

Or does god get an exemption from his own laws?

Originally posted by genius
God gave his son. isn't that beautiful? that he loves us

"gave" is too vague. What god allegedly did was sentence his own son to a horrible and brutal death. The bible would have us believe that God created and designed the human race, found out they were all faulty, and then blamed it on them. Objectively, God should be faulted for making such a badly designed species.

I find no beauty in God sentencing the majority of the human race to eternal torture. It also speaks poorly of his ability to love.

Hell is the ultimate mind-control device. How can you beat eternal torture? There is no threat more formidable.

Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
"gave" is too vague. What god allegedly did was sentence his own son to a horrible and brutal death. The bible would have us believe that God created and designed the human race, found out they were all faulty, and then blamed it o ...[text shortened]... can you beat eternal torture? There is no threat more formidable.

what would you rahter have, then? your son given the most painful death known to man, or all of humanity the most painful death known.

and God gave us choice. we chose to be the way we are. you could refrain from cheating on your girlfriend, but do you? how is that God fault? we are tempted by the devil. if the devil didn't exsist, we would do no wrong.

and God cannot love something that isn't perfect, or something like that.

Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
He did sin. He murdered his own son, although the son had done nothing wrong. The ten commandments state "Thou shalt not kill!"

Or does god get an exemption from his own laws?

Like I said God is the only one just to take a life. He can't sin by taking a life. He created the law you smart one. And the law only applys to Humans.

Acts 2:22-25
22“Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
23This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross.
24But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. 25David said about him: “ ‘I saw the Lord always before me.

If you read verse 23 he was nail to the cross by every human, because it says YOU with the help of wicked men.

When this earths history is over the climax was Jesus on the Cross and His second Coming will be the other climax part of history.

Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
"gave" is too vague. What god allegedly did was sentence his own son to a horrible and brutal death. The bible would have us believe that God created and designed the human race, found out they were all faulty, and then blamed it on them. Objectively, [b]God should be faulted for making such a badly designed species.

I find no beauty in God s ...[text shortened]... imate mind-control device. How can you beat eternal torture? There is no threat more formidable.[/b]

You can't blame God for mans sin and mistakes, you can only blame yourself.

Originally posted by RBHILL
You can't blame God for mans sin and mistakes, you can only blame yourself.

Ummm, actually you can. If your god is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent, then he is ultimately responsible.

If he does not know that we will commit a sin, he is not omniscient. If he is omniscient, then he must have created us with the knowledge of our commitence of some future sin. As such we cannot bare the responsibility for that sin.

If he is not part of the actions both physically and spiritually during the committance of a sin, he is not omnipresent. If he is omnipresent then he must be part of the action of sin as much as that of goodness and so is responsible for that sin.

If he is not able to stop sin then he is not omnipotent. If he is omnipotent, then his will has directed us to commit those sins and as such he has responsibility for them.

Do not even try and claim that we were given free will, because you cannot have it both ways. Either god is all powerful or he isn't and humans can do what they like. If you wish to claim your god has these supposedly worthy and ultimate charactersitics, you cannot claim he does not also shoulder the burden of responsibility for his actions.

Originally posted by Starrman
Ummm, actually you can. If your god is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent, then he is ultimately responsible.

If he does not know that we will commit a sin, he is not omniscient. If he is omniscient, then he must have created us w ...[text shortened]... es not also shoulder the burden of responsibility for his actions.

See you have the sin of pride where all sin comes from. Man had a choose so it is there fault.

Edit: You have the ability to stop sin that is called Prayer.

Originally posted by RBHILL
See you have the sin of pride where all sin comes from. Man had a choose so it is there fault.

RBHILL, did Jesus not also say, let him who is without sin cast the first stone? You lay the sin of pride on me without answering the question, but I fear you are a victim of your own intention. Would you care to get off your high horse and respond to the post instead of deflecting the issue?

Pride is the easiest sin to fall into when you believe you are right, is it not?

Originally posted by Starrman
RBHILL, did Jesus not also say, let him who is without sin cast the first stone? You lay the sin of pride on me without answering the question, but I fear you are a victim of your own intention. Would you care to get off your high horse and respond to the post instead of deflecting the issue?

Pride is the easiest sin to fall into when you believe you are right, is it not?

He was speaking to the unbelievers at the time. As a believer you are ordered to show sin. That whay the people might see that they are sinful and need Christ.

Originally posted by RBHILL
He was speaking to the unbelievers at the time. As a believer you are ordered to show sin. That whay the people might see that they are sinful and need Christ.

So let me get this straight, you're saying that you sin so that I can see your sin and repent? Lol, seriously?

RBHILL if you honestly believe that once you have supposedly been saved, you are now allowed to sin without repercussion because you are doing god's work, you are making a mockery of any sense of good that christianity might have.

Originally posted by Starrman
So let me get this straight, you're saying that you sin so that I can see your sin and repent? Lol, seriously?

RBHILL if you honestly believe that once you have supposedly been saved, you are now allowed to sin without repercussion because you are doing god's work, you are making a mockery of any sense of good that christianity might have.

Look everyone sins, Christians aren't perfect just forgiven. When Christians are living in sin they are out of fellowship with God. And there for must cufess it to God. And when you are out of fellowship you don't get the Blessings that God whats to give you.