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08 May 07
08 May 07
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyOf course Bush didn't know about 9/11 in advance. If he had, do you really think he would have been reading to an elementary school class when it happened? Bush certainly had warning (documented in 9/11 report) that al-Qaeda wanted to fly planes into buildings, since that was the title of one of his daily intelligence briefings, but it is absurd to think he was in any position to stop 9/11 from happening. Interestingly, assording to the poll, younger democrats and minorities were more likely to believe Bush knew. So, I wonder what the correlation is between education level and this belief.
Did anyone besides me notice that there was a Rasmussen Poll that came out yesterday that was almost buried by the "main street" media?
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance
35% of democrats think that Bush is a mass murderer, and another 26% "don't know" for sure. One can argue eeps like Soros? Dems are by their very nature "weak minded", and this doesn't help.
08 May 07
Originally posted by bbarrGood point about the age levels. I will have to re-read it now. Thanks a lot! Like I have nothing else to do.
Of course Bush didn't know about 9/11 in advance. If he had, do you really think he would have been reading to an elementary school class when it happened? Bush certainly had warning (documented in 9/11 report) that al-Qaeda wanted to fly planes into buildings, since that was the title of one of his daily intelligence briefings, but it is absurd to think he ...[text shortened]... lieve Bush knew. So, I wonder what the correlation is between education level and this belief.
What do you think of the basic question of the thread and my supposition that those who are "unsure" might as well be included in with those who think he did. Their agnosticism seems a bit strange on such a straight forward matter of determining basic "reality".
Is the nation in any danger of betraying our common sense to hate?
If so, how much of that lies at MY door for not trying a more therapeudic approach to this madness instead of being a "mad dog" myself over the past seven years? Not a pleasant thought, that.
08 May 07
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyIn a poll, answering "I don't know" shouldn't be taken to mean that the responder is really unsure about the issue. I could also mean "don't bug me right now", or "I don't want to think about it", or "I'm not absolutely certain that Bush didn't know". I would hesitate to draw conclusions from the people who were reported to be unsure. I do agree, however, that is absurd to think there is even a non-negligable likelihood that Bush knew about 9/11 in advance. Some of the responsibility for this sad state of affairs must rest on those deeply misguided folks behind all the conspiracy theory "documentaries" floating around the internet. It is an unfortunate consequence of the modern reliance on the internet for information that people (espcially the young) have trouble distinguishing between reliable and unreliable sources. So, you can imagine somebody thinking "the official 9/11 story says this..., but there are all these other sources on the internet that seem to raise some good points, so I'm not really sure whether the administration knew beforehand." This is sloppy thinking, and disturbing, but not indicative of insanity.
Good point about the age levels. I will have to re-read it now. Thanks a lot! Like I have nothing else to do.
What do you think of the basic question of the thread and my supposition that those who are "unsure" might as well be included in with those who think he did. Their agnosticism seems a bit strange on such a straight forward matter of determin stead of being a "mad dog" myself over the past seven years? Not a pleasant thought, that.
08 May 07
Originally posted by StarValleyWyMaybe the lack of posters includes those who think you're a raving lunatic and those who noticed you ignored the republicans and undecideds who also held the same opionions.
Thanks. I'll try, but who knows? This has to be painful for the intelligent and borderline intelligent who find that they have participated in mass insanity. The vast majority of nuts (STANGERS) will not even understand the idea of "brainwashing" as it sounds too much like "hand washing"... which they oppose on philosophical grounds.
This thread wil ...[text shortened]... ple to wonder at the phenomenon then it will have been a good exercise in promoting reason.
08 May 07
Originally posted by bbarrYea, well, you know me and polemics. Might as well try to train a dog to eat with a fork as to train me not to "over-state" a wee tiny bit... on occasion. That occasion being "like when he breaths in dude... or out even."
This is sloppy thinking, and disturbing, but not indicative of insanity.
08 May 07
Originally posted by pawnhandlerI didn't ignore them, trust me. I wanted people to notice for themselves, because this INCREASES the alarm, not decreases it. I will still insist that this type of group think is "unhinged", and the fact that it is across the board is more worrisome than not.
Maybe the lack of posters includes those who think you're a raving lunatic and those who noticed you ignored the republicans and undecideds who also held the same opionions.
I still get this terrible image of 1936 Germany engaged in just this sort of mass lunacy.
08 May 07
Originally posted by StarValleyWyYou are so right it is insane.
Did anyone besides me notice that there was a Rasmussen Poll that came out yesterday that was almost buried by the "main street" media?
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance
35% of democrats think that Bush is a mass murderer, and another 26% "don't know" for sure. One can argue ...[text shortened]... eeps like Soros? Dems are by their very nature "weak minded", and this doesn't help.
Nearly 40% think that Bush is not a mass murderer?
Yet every day they see people die because of his invasion of the only Arab Country that was not ruled by religious nutters. I just don't understand why he was so keen to get rid of Bin Laden's sworn enemy.
Instead of making millions of homeless and responsible for the deaths of countless, shouldn't he have tried to find the real terrorists?
That 40% need medical attention.
08 May 07
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Originally posted by petrosianpupilThank you. You are evidence of proof of the thesis.
You are so right it is insane.
Nearly 40% think that Bush is not a mass murderer?
Yet every day they see people die because of his invasion of the only Arab Country that was not ruled by religious nutters. I just don't understand why he was so keen to get rid of Bin Laden's sworn enemy.
Instead of making millions of homeless and responsible fo ...[text shortened]... ess, shouldn't he have tried to find the real terrorists?
That 40% need medical attention.
08 May 07
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Originally posted by petrosianpupilWill you answer a question?
You use proof in the same way as you pretend to understand logic.
You need to read up on both.
You continually show your ignorance of basic reasoning.
Do you think that Bush knew in advance of the attacks on 911?
If so, can you reveal the information source that convinced you of it?
(edit) The reason I ask is that I have a theory that people over a certain intelligence range are immune from being mindwiped. You would tend to be more evidence that this may be the case. Not to mention that I love watching a piker just get in deeper and deeper with no hope of ever winning.
(edit, edit) Ok. So the part above about "information source that convinced you" is an inside joke. We all know that you "absorbed" the necessary information. And not from books.
08 May 07
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If you did a poll with the same people and asked if Bush used his weather machine to create the Tornadoes in Kansas earlier this week you'd get a similar answer. The democrat party has plenty of wacko's today and their Queen is Hillary.
Check out this link to a poll captured on video at an environmentalist event. They get the participants to sign a petition banning water.
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08 May 07
Originally posted by hamltnblueThat made my day and fits right in with the theme of this thread. Thank you for that.
If you did a poll with the same people and asked if Bush used his weather machine to create the Tornadoes in Kansas earlier this week you'd get a similar answer. The democrat party has plenty of wacko's today and their Queen is Hillary.
Check out this link to a poll captured on video at an environmentalist event. They get the participants to sign a pe ...[text shortened]... ing water.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpajamasmedia%2Ecom%2F
I think. It still scares the hell out of me that we have become a nation of zombies. I kind of expect it out of euros, having naught but the BBC and other state controled media. But in the USA? This is alarming.
08 May 07
Originally posted by jammerYes. It is the "lock-step" marching off to mindless hatred that I am trying to address in this thread.
Might have something to do with our education system here in the States. Probably 80-90% of the teaching profession are Progressive Liberals locked into PC thinking.
Burned-out hippys left over from the 60's, took over all the teaching jobs.
That .. and Critical Theory as a way of life.
I agree that there isn't much good in the baby-boomer generation. And I'm right in the middle of it, being 59 years old now. I thought they were mindless boobs when they celebrated and helped cause our defeat against communism in Viet Nam and I think it today. None of them could ever answer my one very simple question of "Why are we celebrating defeat by people who will kill without mercy when we are no longer there?" None of my generation who celebrated has ever had an answer. Nor did they care when 3 millions died as we pulled out. Some victory.
I like to ask the same today, and I get the same non-answer. When congressional dems literally "cheered" at getting a definite date of defeat attached to funding the troops, I couldn't help experiencing a terrible feeling of déjà vu.
08 May 07
Originally posted by StarValleyWyWell ever since the war started the dems have been wishing for bush to surrender... what better way to make headway in the polling booth. Soros and the media gang immediately went to work on the project. Most of the news anymore is all PR controlled... large PR firms are the ones in control of what we see and hear... whether it is FOX or CBS.
Yes. It is the "lock-step" marching off to mindless hatred that I am trying to address in this thread.
I agree that there isn't much good in the baby-boomer generation. And I'm right in the middle of it, being 59 years old now. I thought they were mindless boobs when they celebrated and helped cause our defeat against communism in Viet Nam and I thin ...[text shortened]... ched to funding the troops, I couldn't help experiencing a terrible feeling of déjà vu.