Originally posted by petrosianpupilNo remember that is your problem, it is because you ignore the terrorists that we have the problem.
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I'm feeling really confused now. Are you sure it was me who was for ignoring them? I could have sworn that you said that if we fight them we just give them what they want and create more terrorists and that if we use your "special method" we can defeat them. I am willing to wait for you to solve it all. Just don't wait too long.
Stalin is dead now. Unlike Hitler who had many views similar to you, Stalin was different and very underestimated. Not my hero either, horrible man. He was very pissed about Hitler attacking him, especially as we (not me personally) had told him the attack was coming. I am pretty sure that Bush didn't attack him, in fact the US were very helpful at the time. I think that was mainly because they had a president with a brain.
Well thank god for that. I would hate to think that bush had helped defeat anything LIKE Hitler. Whew! That was close. So remind me again who Bin Laden is like? Was it Hitler of Stalin? Or is he a hero and freedom fighter? I forget. This is just soooo confusing. And you say that Bush is horrible and without a brain for attacking Bin Laden, but Roosevelt had a brain and was good for attacking Hitler. It is all so confusing.
Again it is not very astute of me. Hitler's book that you ignored, clearly laid out all his plans. His right wing racism is there to see, you would lap it up, I can see you now nodding all the way through
Hey, I was the one who pointed out that it was "ignored" at which point you jumped all over me that it was not ignored....
AW.... I think I am getting a vision of your "special method". You are just going to lie the buggers to death! Brilliant! You may have something there. I hope they don't dare "ignore" you when you spring the trap on em.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyPersonally I think that Bin Laden is more like Hitler. He thinks that he is doing the right thing for his people. Stalin knew what he was doing was wrong he just didn't give a sh;t.
[b]No remember that is your problem, it is because you ignore the terrorists that we have the problem.
I'm feeling really confused now. Are you sure it was me who was for ignoring them? I could have sworn that you said that if we fight them we just give them what they want and create more terrorists and that if we use your "special method" we ca ...[text shortened]... omething there. I hope they don't dare "ignore" you when you spring the trap on em.[/b]
Propaganda is a necessary tool so some lies will need to be said. unfortunately not your lies, they are way too obvious.
Originally posted by petrosianpupilWhichever he matches up with seems inconsequential. The thing they all have in common is the burning quest for Utopia. The Thousand Years of rule by the Reich, the establishment of Communism to rule the world and the establishment of Gods Government on earth. They all have the little notion of "power and domain" built into their vision of Utopia.
Personally I think that Bin Laden is more like Hitler. He thinks that he is doing the right thing for his people. Stalin knew what he was doing was wrong he just didn't give a sh;t.
Propaganda is a necessary tool so some lies will need to be said. unfortunately not your lies, they are way too obvious.
It would be a hard vote to determine who is more vicious of the three. I think that they all are about equal, though the DELIBERATE use of children and idiots as human bombs strikes me as more calculating. Hitler would kill jews by the millions and Stalin killed Kulocs by the millions and if Bin Laden gets his way, I see no compunction on his part that would lead me to expect better of him.
Hey! If I lie, it is in having fun. No harm, no foul. Or as we used to say when grouse hunting, "no farm, no fowl".
Originally posted by StarValleyWyNo problem!
Whichever he matches up with seems inconsequential. The thing they all have in common is the burning quest for Utopia. The Thousand Years of rule by the Reich, the establishment of Communism to rule the world and the establishment of Gods Government on earth. They all have the little notion of "power and domain" built into their vision of Utopia.
I ...[text shortened]... having fun. No harm, no foul. Or as we used to say when grouse hunting, "no farm, no fowl".
Like you I like an argument, if it gets a little rough, it just wakes me up.
Only one liberal out of ... seven??? answered the poll question that was the basis of this thread.
bbarr said that he doesn't think that Bush knew about 911 in advance.
bbarr gets a A for rationality and integrity.
kmax87 was irrational and emotional in trying to change the subject. D- for her. DID NOT ANSWER THE POLL QUESTION.
Thales2 also tried to change the subject and was in denial. He implies that he agrees that Bush did know. F for "it". Have no clue if it is male or female. DID NOT ANSWER THE POLL QUESTION.
pawnhandler is a joiner. lol. Simpleminded and will not be graded out of respect for the mentally challenged. COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION
putridpupil denied and militantly tried to change the subject a hundred ways to none. F minus for dishonesty and conceit founded in stupidity. DID NOT ANSWER THE POLL QUESTION.
richjohnson... changed the subject to his one passion... revolutionary marxism. Just an F. DID NOT ANSWER THE POLL QUESTION.
It's not too late. Any of you can just say "Yes" or "No" and I'll change your score to a C. It ain't that tough. bbarr might even serve as a guide to you guys. Study how he has the guts to actually take a position on this very important question.
(svw wanders off giggling about the twenty coming posts about his cluelessness)
Although you have made so many untrue and inflamatory remarks and stereotypes throughout this thread, I will restrain myself to your question.
http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/bush-knew2.htm
"This section focuses on known advance warnings received by the U.S. government from foreign intelligence services that proved to be specific enough to have identified the date (within one week), method, targets, and perpetrators of the attacks. It will not include warnings issued to the USG that could be considered vague or non-specific. The latter includes documented warnings sent by the governments of Egypt and Israel. However, in light of the specific warnings, these additional warnings add greater weight to the argument that the Administration was in possession of sufficient information to have prevented the attacks.
"As reported in the respected German daily Frankfurter Algemeine Zeitung (FAZ) on Sept. 14, 2001 the German intelligence service, the BND, warned both the CIA and Israel that Middle Eastern terrorists were “planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture.” The story specifically referred to an electronic eavesdropping system known as Echelon, wherein a number of countries tap cell phone and electronic communications in partner countries and then pool the information. The BND warnings were also passed to the United Kingdom.
"No known denial by the BND of the accuracy of this story exists, and the FAZ story indicates that the information was received directly from BND sources.
"According to a Sept. 14 report in the Internet newswire online.de, German police, monitoring the phone calls of a jailed Iranian man, learned the man was telephoning USG intelligence agencies in summer 2001 to warn of an imminent attack on the World Trade Center (WTC) in the week of Sept. 9. German officials confirmed the calls to the USG for the story but refused to discuss additional details.
"In August 2000 French intelligence sources confirmed a man recently arrested in Boston by the FBI was an Islamic militant and a key member of Osama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda network. The FBI knew the man had been taking flying lessons at the time of his arrest and was in possession of technical information on Boeing aircraft and flight manuals, as reported by Reuters on Sept. 13.
"According to a story in Izveztia on Sept. 12, Russian intelligence warned the USG that as many as 25 suicide pilots were training for missions involving the crashing of airliners into important targets.
"In an MSNBC interview on Sept. 15, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that he had ordered Russian intelligence to warn the USG “in the strongest possible terms” of imminent assaults on airports and government buildings before the attacks on Sept. 11.
"As reported by CNN’s Daniel Seberg on Sept. 28, Newsbytes’ Brian McWilliams on Sept. 27 and the Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz, Odigo, the Israeli instant messaging company located in Herzliyya, Israel, received telephone calls stating that attacks on the WTC were imminent. The calls came less than two hours before the first plane hit the WTC. This information was immediately forwarded to Israeli and U.S. intelligence.
"Conclusion: From just these six press stories, then, the USG had received credible advance warnings, some from heads of state, that commercial aircraft would be hijacked by as many as 25 suicide pilots at airports, with Boston a strong candidate, during the week of Sept. 9. The call to Odigo would have signaled the exact day.
"No known preventive measures were taken."
Now go ahead. I can't wait to see all of the excuses you make to discredit the website. 😞
Originally posted by wittywonkalol
Although you have made so many untrue and inflamatory remarks and stereotypes throughout this thread, I will restrain myself to your question.
http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/bush-knew2.htm
"This section focuses on known advance warnings received by the U.S. government from foreign intelligence services that proved to be specific enough to ahead. I can't wait to see all of the excuses you make to discredit the website. 😞
So you vote yes?
Why would I try to discredit propaganda? That is an impossible thing to do. One would be given the inenviable task of itemizing ALL the lies and disproving them one at a time. Have you ever tried to prove a negative? lol
I will instead use common sense as bbarr did and say that while Bush may have been stupid in IGNORING or not taking seriously the threat warnings (along with all other world leaders), his only sin is that he is human.
To think of him as "evil" is to be.... UNHINGED.
Originally posted by wittywonkaCommon Sense.
Under what authority do you simply discredit all of those sources? Just because you do not agree with them?
Why not stay on topic and present some facts of your own...
Let's restate it. Let's go beyond "did he know" to the implied "did he do it"?
Do you think he DID the 911 attacks?
Originally posted by StarValleyWyI see your point, I confess. No, he did not physically execute the attacks. But his purposeful ignorance and lack of reaction or concern makes him similarly responsible.
Common Sense.
Let's restate it. Let's go beyond "did he know" to the implied "did he do it"?
Do you think he DID the 911 attacks?
Look at it this way. In a criminal case, "purposeful ignorance" (also known as malicious negelct) can be punished. If a capable parent, for example, leaves a loaded gun on their cabinet within reach of their 8-year-old, and the 8-year-old kills someone (or himself), the parent can and should be held responsible.
Originally posted by wittywonkaLets say that he did know... what should have been the game plan to stop them?
I see your point, I confess. No, he did not physically execute the attacks. But his purposeful ignorance and lack of reaction or concern makes him similarly responsible.
Look at it this way. In a criminal case, "purposeful ignorance" (also known as malicious negelct) can be punished. If a [b]capable parent, for example, leaves a loaded gun on t ...[text shortened]... and the 8-year-old kills someone (or himself), the parent can and should be held responsible.[/b]
Originally posted by lepomis-Increased pre-boarding, onboard, and baggage security.
Lets say that he did know... what should have been the game plan to stop them?
-Increased communication between the CIA and FBI regarding terrorists suspected of being in the U.S.
-Cooperation with foreign countries that suspected and reported threats and investigations into those cases.
I'm simply listing ideas that first pop into my head, but I could continue if you would like. I don't know what the "perfect" plan should have been, but I know of many ways through which the chances of an attack could have been reduced, more than the president obviously took the time to consider and/or initiate.
Originally posted by wittywonkaMalicious Neglect.
I see your point, I confess. No, he did not physically execute the attacks. But his purposeful ignorance and lack of reaction or concern makes him similarly responsible.
Look at it this way. In a criminal case, "purposeful ignorance" (also known as malicious negelct) can be punished. If a [b]capable parent, for example, leaves a loaded gun on t ...[text shortened]... and the 8-year-old kills someone (or himself), the parent can and should be held responsible.[/b]
Wouldn't it be more honest of you to just say that you Hate Bush?
Hatred is ok you know. You don't have to go around finding all these silly fabricated reasons to hate. Just let er fly! It's much more honest and will cause less insanity in the end.
Where did we ever get the notion that we have to have good reasons for our hatreds?
And then you could be honest if asked about the Poll Question that inspired this thread. You could say, "Hell no he didn't know any more than I did. But I hate him anyway!"
That makes for a whole lot more rational world and not nearly as indicative of 1936 Germany as the unhinged dems are today.
Originally posted by wittywonkaNo it's not. It is that ability to grasp reality when faced with obvious world situations. If you let it be gobbledy-gook it will be. If you can find it in yourself to be rational, it is simple.
Common sense is an objective term with subjective interpretations.