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@A-Unique-Nickname saidAre there liberals there like here, and I agree but they still had power for almost four years.
I'm not from the states and didn't really care who won, but it seems to me that the majority of educated people vote democrat. Not just in this election, in history. Will be happily proven wrong.
Brexit was the same, majority of educated people wanted to remain. So what does that say about giving people important influence on their country?
Imo there should ...[text shortened]... ection or referendum, fail and your vote doesn't count. Some people are just too dumb to have power.
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@kmax87 saidBoth were poor choices of candidate.
In the 2 instances that Trump was successful at the polls, he competed against a female candidate.
When you compare the female's performance with the male candidate of her party that was successful before her you find that her male predecessor was more successful at the polls.
So what's the reason?
America not ready to have it's top job filled by a woman? What other reasons are out there?
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@Earl-of-Trumps saidDid Clinton do better than Obama?
So, "2-0" cinches it, huh? lol quite a sample space you got there kmax
When Trump ran against Clinton, she got more votes than Trump.
That leaves us at 1-1. Back to the drawing board, km
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@mike69 saidBiden did an exceptional job. By every rational measure, every economic measure, people were better off after 4 years of Biden than they were under Trump. True, at the end, the pandemic caused a massive recession, but that was totally unpredictable. We can't hold either political party responsible for plagues.
Do you think your party led the country well
There was a post-pandemic surge in prices due to pent-up demand and that drove massive inflation, but Biden even tamed that. Wages were up, the economy was great. Wall Street was fine and 401(k)s grew.
Biden lead the country as well as any President has. He did a great job although for unfathomable reasons people don't seem to give him credit for it.
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@spruce112358 saidIF that were true, the only practical lesson from that would be for Dems to stop nominating women, which is obviously a lesson that the Democratic establishment is not going to accept.
Nope. It turns out, America doesn't want a female President.
Of course it's disingenuous. People don't really believe that the US isn't ready for a female President, just like they don't really believe Trump is Hitler reincarnate. If they did, they'd leave the country pronto, which they won't.
Like the Trump is a Nazi nonsense, the "Harris lost due to misogyny" is just a convenient excuse to avoid introspection.
Of course, the entire idea that US isn't ready for a female President is inherently disproven by the fact that Hillary's loss was more about bad luck than anything else.
Harris lost for three reasons:
- inflation
- lack of border control
- runaway wokism
Democrats can learn from that and improve for the future, like liberals
Matthew Yglesias and Sam Harris are doing (see., e.g., https://x.com/mattyglesias/status/1854334397157384421) or they can stay in denial and blame misogyny.
Good luck choosing.
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It remains my judgment that had Hillary done the Howard stern interview BEFORE the election instead of after it, she'd have won going away. On the campaign trail, she seemed wooden and programmed. In the Stern interview, she seemed sharp and witty and with it. Personally, I voted third party in 2016 (Evan McMullin - he wasn't on the ballot in NY so I wrote him in), but after watching the whole 2 hour interview with Stern, I would have voted for Hillary.
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@sh76 saidNobody is avoiding introspection, sh76. There is a whole thread on it!
IF that were true, the only practical lesson from that would be for Dems to stop nominating women, which is obviously a lesson that the Democratic establishment is not going to accept.
Of course it's disingenuous. People don't really believe that the US isn't ready for a female President, just like they don't really believe Trump is Hitler reincarnate. If they did, they'd le ...[text shortened]... as/status/1854334397157384421) or they can stay in denial and blame misogyny.
Good luck choosing.
Yes, the Democratic Party has alienated straight white men (especially younger ones). They do not feel that the party "sees" them, and they are one of the few groups the DNC publicly claims they do not serve.
But more important, Dems did not turn out for Harris. That is not because of inflation or border or wokism. Dems all know those are bull'shat issues. Maybe that drove Repub turnout, but that's all.
No, Dems did not turn out for Harris despite her obvious qualifications, despite a good economy, and despite the fact that she beat Trump hollow in their only debate.
“When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth”
Harris lost because she is female. This is the second time the Dems have run a woman and lost to THE SAME completely unqualified Repub. (They beat him once: with an OLD MAN!)
You say, "But they are going to keep doing it." Well, as we say in the South, ain't that special.
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@sh76 saidIf it was for policy reasons, why did Democratic Senators win in the swing States of Michigan, Wisconsin and Nevada, probably Arizona and possibly Pennsylvania?
IF that were true, the only practical lesson from that would be for Dems to stop nominating women, which is obviously a lesson that the Democratic establishment is not going to accept.
Of course it's disingenuous. People don't really believe that the US isn't ready for a female President, just like they don't really believe Trump is Hitler reincarnate. If they did, they'd le ...[text shortened]... as/status/1854334397157384421) or they can stay in denial and blame misogyny.
Good luck choosing.
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@spruce112358 saidI'm unconvinced. You seem to be assuming that 80 million Democratic votes is the "new normal" because Biden reached that record number in 1980 but what evidence supports that?
Nobody is avoiding introspection, sh76. There is a whole thread on it!
Yes, the Democratic Party has alienated straight white men (especially younger ones). They do not feel that the party "sees" them, and they are one of the few groups the DNC publicly claims they do not serve.
But more important, Dems did not turn out for Harris. That is not because of inflation ...[text shortened]...
You say, "But they are going to keep doing it." Well, as we say in the South, ain't that special.
Like I said, I prefer to wait until complete national numbers before coming to a conclusion, but the case for turnout based explanations isn't very compelling so far. For example, Pennsylvania had about the same amount of votes as 2020 but Trump got about 100,000 more and Harris 100,000 less. That's a small shift in a State with approximately 7 million votes cast but big enough to change the outcome.
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@A-Unique-Nickname saidThen it wouldn't be democracy.
I'm not from the states and didn't really care who won, but it seems to me that the majority of educated people vote democrat. Not just in this election, in history. Will be happily proven wrong.
Brexit was the same, majority of educated people wanted to remain. So what does that say about giving people important influence on their country?
Imo there should ...[text shortened]... ection or referendum, fail and your vote doesn't count. Some people are just too dumb to have power.
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@spruce112358 saidInflation is a BS issue? Yikes! Have you ever been to a grocery store?
Nobody is avoiding introspection, sh76. There is a whole thread on it!
Yes, the Democratic Party has alienated straight white men (especially younger ones). They do not feel that the party "sees" them, and they are one of the few groups the DNC publicly claims they do not serve.
But more important, Dems did not turn out for Harris. That is not because of inflation ...[text shortened]...
You say, "But they are going to keep doing it." Well, as we say in the South, ain't that special.
They beat Trump with an old man due to Covid and the circumstances at the time. Biden was on pace to get thrashed this time around when they dumped him.
Oh, and it's not just straight white men the Democratic Party has alienated, it's obviously Hispanic men too. Trump won Miami-Dade County, for crying out loud. Al Gore must be turning over in his grave*.
* Okay, his living room. Whatever.
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@no1marauder saidGood question (though it looks like McCormick will hold on in PA). Incumbency and personality seems to be worth at least a couple of points in Senate races. Dems won AZ, for example, because Lake is an awful candidate.
If it was for policy reasons, why did Democratic Senators win in the swing States of Michigan, Wisconsin and Nevada, probably Arizona and possibly Pennsylvania?
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@sh76 saidIt's BS that the President controls inflation. And it's back down - but yes, prices are still high because only a few grocery chains control all distribution. Why would they lower prices? People can't make a product substitution for food.
Inflation is a BS issue? Yikes! Have you ever been to a grocery store?
They beat Trump with an old man due to Covid and the circumstances at the time. Biden was on pace to get thrashed this time around when they dumped him.
Oh, and it's not just straight white men the Democratic Party has alienated, it's obviously Hispanic men too. Trump won Miami-Dade County, for crying out loud. Al Gore must be turning over in his grave*.
* Okay, his living room. Whatever.
Yes, Hispanic men, too. Who ALSO would not want a female President.
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@sh76 saidEven if Mccormick holds on, Trump has gotten 140,000 more votes than him in PA even though there isn't a whiff of difference in their policy positions.
Good question (though it looks like McCormick will hold on in PA). Incumbency and personality seems to be worth at least a couple of points in Senate races. Dems won AZ, for example, because Lake is an awful candidate.
I think the evidence so far suggests a Trump-centric, Harris-centric or both explanation.