@Suzianne

Originally posted by FMF
[b]FMF,
You are of course including yourself in this are you? What about the 17 messages you sent me? How do you think everyone would have responded to those.... Well actually you sent 21 I just deleted the other four, as you were getting more silly with each P.M.

Starting out there was no one better than me, and I was a very intelligent person in you ...[text shortened]... I felt the need to. I am not a YES man at all.

-VR

Ha ha. I see what you did there. 🙂[/b]

FMF,

Yes, you made a fool out of yourself! You turned people against you that may have become more friendly with you. I've seen exactly what you've done. I would tell you a lot more, but you are not worth getting a forum ban for. 😉 😛

-VR

Originally posted by FMF
Yes I made the comment because I think your attempted blows missed the mark and were ineffectual. That's why I used the word "fluffed", which means flubbed or fumbled. Maybe it's a vocabulary thing. My English is of the British variety.

Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant by "fluffed" because what I said wasn't intended as a "blow" in the first place.

Obviously there are some here who intend to land "blows". Perhaps because they view themselves as superior to others.

Or maybe it's all just part and parcel of the whole debate process.

Originally posted by FMF
You should do whatever you feel you ought to do and then, presumably, you will get your answer to the "What if" question you have posed.

Well it isn't to act like you. That is weak.

Originally posted by Very Rusty
Yes, you made a fool out of yourself! You turned people against you that may have become more friendly with you. I've seen exactly what you've done. I would tell you a lot more, but you are not worth getting a forum ban for.

Well, OK, Very Rusty. I wouldn't think it would be worth getting a forum ban for, either, indeed, I wouldn't think you "telling me a lot more" would be worth anything at all. But, having said that, thank you for your apparent concern about whether or not people are friendly with me ~ even if this detailed concern of yours feels a bit like you are standing way too close to me at a cheese and wine party and being overly familiar. . 😉

Originally posted by josephw
Obviously there are some here who intend to land "blows". Perhaps because they view themselves as superior to others.

Nobody tries to land as many blows on the forums as Suzianne does (aside perhaps the Clans Forum, which I know little about). Look back at her posting history in 2016 for example. It really is extraordinary. I have been a bit a robust and forthright myself in debates and discussion that interest me at times, but take a look at how many times she ignores the debate, ignores the ideas, and just sets about trying to land blows (all of which she "fluffs" to my way of thinking). Her abuse of the web site's message facility was just an extension of this.

Originally posted by Executioner Brand
Well it isn't to act like you. That is weak.

Gosh. I'm not sure which of these two sentences I should tackle. Probably safer to just hope the points you are presumably making somehow go away. 😕

Originally posted by FMF
Nobody tries to land as many blows on the forums as Suzianne does (aside perhaps the Clans Forum, which I know little about). Look back at her posting history in 2016 for example. It really is extraordinary. I have been a bit a robust and forthright myself in debates and discussion that interest me at times, but take a look at how many times she ignores the deba ...[text shortened]... my way of thinking). Her abuse of the web site's message facility was just an extension of this.

I understand your point of view, but I see Suzianne's as well.

We all need to see the other's point of view, discuss the topic and keep our opinions of others personal issues to ourselves. Whatever that means. In other words, some things are public, and others are private.

Goes for me too. Discretion advised.

Now I'm going to bed. I'll look at the fallout tomorrow. 😉

Originally posted by josephw
I understand your point of view, but I see Suzianne's as well.

Well I have no doubt that everyone sees Suzianne's point of view. I certainly do. She has laid it out. It's still there for people to read. But I don't see how her point of view insulates her from the consequences of what she chose to use the web site's message facility for. It's no problem for me if there are onlookers who believe Suzianne's point of view trumps my point of view regarding the ethical dimension of what we both did in this instance.

Originally posted by FMF
Well I have no doubt that [b]everyone sees Suzianne's point of view. I certainly do. She has laid it out. It's still there for people to read. But I don't see how her point of view insulates her from the consequences of what she chose to use the web site's message facility for. It's no problem for me if there are onlookers who believe Suzianne's point of view trumps my point of view regarding the ethical dimension of what we both did in this instance.[/b]

So you, pretty much alone, say. If you look at the facts you need to work a lot harder on your JIhads.

Originally posted by FMF
Well, OK, Very Rusty. I wouldn't think it would be worth getting a forum ban for, either, indeed, I wouldn't think you "telling me a lot more" would be worth anything at all. But, having said that, thank you for your apparent concern about whether or not people are friendly with me ~ even if this detailed concern of yours feels a bit like you are standing way too close to me at a cheese and wine party and being overly familiar. . 😉

FMF,

Thank you very kindly for spewing more venom from your lips, or more correctly your fingers.

Your sarcasm stands out like a sore thumb. Up your game a bit little v.
We both know I don't really care one way or the other how people feel about you, but if you read closely you may have gotten a good idea.

Trust me you wouldn't see me at a wine and cheese party you were attending. No offense, just a FACT!!!

-VR

Originally posted by Executioner Brand
So you, pretty much alone, say. If you look at the facts you need to work a lot harder on your JIhads.

The message was sent to me. So, yes, it was my call as to how I should deal with it. I think this has been covered already in this discussion. As for your riff about "jihad", no one seems to want to take you up on that, and I won't be doing so either. So, it will remain - as free and frank exchanges of points go - perhaps - a mere flower wasted on the desert air.

Originally posted by Very Rusty
FMF,

Thank you very kindly for spewing more venim from your lips, or more correctly your fingers.

Your sarcasm stands out like a sore thumb. Up your game a bit little v.
We both know I don't really care one way or the other how people feel about you, but if you read closely you may have gotten a good idea.

Trust me you wouldn't see me at a wine and cheese party you were attending. No offense, just a FACT!!!

-VR

Oh well, senses of humour do vary.

Originally posted by FMF
Oh well, senses of humour do vary.

FMF,

Forget the sense of humor and read over what long time members had to say about the fiasco that took place. We can all learn no matter how much smarter than everyone else we might think we are. I knew everything at 17, I realize I am still learning things!

Try to take time and absorb what people are trying to get across to you, instead of jumping on the defense or attacking.

-VR

Originally posted by Very Rusty
Try to take time and absorb what people are trying to get across to you, instead of jumping on the defense or attacking.

It has been absorbing for me. And most people have been trying to get across to me that they are "jumping on the defense or attacking". You seem to forget that I have probably been following all this more closely and more shrewdly than you have. 😉

Originally posted by FMF
It has been absorbing for me. And most people have been trying to get across to me that they are "jumping on the defense or attacking". You seem to forget that I have probably been following all this more closely and more shrewdly than you have. 😉

FMF,

That is only because in your mind your are so much smarter, in fact in your mind you are smarter than everyone. You see, that is how I see your attitude to be. Yes, I would tell you the same thing in person. 😛

You have NOT learned a damn thing have you?

-VR