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@divegeester saidAttacking is a stretch. They've all a bunch of lying idiots... UK is going down the drain.
Here is Keir Starmer in May this year attacking the Tories over the threat of taking away the winter fuel payment for pensioners; two months later he did it himself.
So much for the “Labour Party” … what a hypocrite that man is.
[youtube]/-40_eDi1W68?si=JYe8Q-sjRYYzj-Kd[/youtube]
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@A-Unique-Nickname saidNot really a stretch, they all attack each other in the Commons.
Attacking is a stretch. They've all a bunch of lying idiots... UK is going down the drain.
The point however, is his hypocrisy.
And while we are on the subject of “Free Gear Kier’s” hypocrisy … MP Rosie Duffield quits Labour over Starmer 'hypocrisy'
Been a Labour MP since 2017
https://news.sky.com/story/rosie-duffield-resigns-as-labour-mp-13224014
Her resignation letter slams Starmer and the leadership for sleaze and terrible policies.
The 53-year-old MP is the first to jump ship since the general election and in her resignation letter criticised the prime minister for accepting thousands of pounds worth of gifts.
She told Sir Keir Starmer the reason for leaving now is "the programme of policies you seem determined to stick to", despite their unpopularity with the electorate and MPs.
In her letter she accused the prime minister and his top team of "sleaze, nepotism and apparent avarice" which are "off the scale".
"I'm so ashamed of what you and your inner circle have done to tarnish and humiliate our once proud party,"
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@divegeester saidAn acknowledgement perhaps that it was the Labour party who introduced the winter fuel payment for pensioners. (1997).
What is it you want?
And that you've already conceded (due to your untenable position) that wealthy pensioners shouldn't receive the payment and that it should be means tested. (Which it now is, due to eligibility being determined by receipt of a means tested benefit).
Pensioners who are in genuine need of the payment and not in receipt of pension credit should be supported to apply. That is where all recent governments have failed, not just labour.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidI refer you to my video link above (bottom of previous page), which you have ignored.
An acknowledgement perhaps that it was the Labour party who introduced the winter fuel payment for pensioners. (1997).
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@divegeester saidPension credit 'is' means tested and people receiving pension credit are entitled to the winter fuel payment.
Yes it should be properly means tested, and there should be an impact assessment.
Would you like me to send you an email with reply on a video loop?
It really isn't rocket science.
And no, I am not supporting the lack of an impact assessment or the fact the plans were not revealed during the election campaign.
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@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidThe winter fuel payment should be independent means tested.
Pension credit 'is' means tested and people receiving pension credit are entitled to the winter fuel payment.
It really isn't rocket science.
And no, I am not supporting the lack of an impact assessment or the fact the plans were not revealed during the election campaign.
It isn’t rocket science.
Better write one of your histrionic emails to Free Gear himself before he loses more MPs
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@divegeester saidWhy? - Pension Credit already means tests an applicant. Why do you object to that also qualifying them for a winter fuel payment? (Or disqualifying them). Why make the whole thing more bureaucratic and time delaying?
The winter fuel payment should be independent means tested.
It isn’t rocket science.
Better write one of your histrionic emails to Free Gear himself before he loses more MPs
Edit: I suspect you haven't thought this through.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidFor the same reason that it needs an impact assessment, which you have just agreed is required! Why do you think there should be an IMPACT assessment?
Why? - Pension Credit already means tests an applicant. Why do you object to that also qualifying them for a winter fuel payment? (Or disqualifying them). Why make the whole thing more bureaucratic and time delaying?
Edit: I suspect you haven't thought this through.
Btw I suspect you haven’t thought this though and are just pissed at me as you always are since your last exit from the forums.
@divegeester saidWhy are you ignoring this?
Here is Keir Starmer in May this year attacking the Tories over the threat of taking away the winter fuel payment for pensioners; two months later he did it himself.
So much for the “Labour Party” … what a hypocrite that man is.
[youtube]/-40_eDi1W68?si=JYe8Q-sjRYYzj-Kd[/youtube]
Here you go
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@divegeester saidIt seems that even a member of the Labour Party understands what Ghost of a Duke doesn’t seem to, or is pretending not to understand.
And while we are on the subject of “Free Gear Kier’s” hypocrisy … MP Rosie Duffield quits Labour over Starmer 'hypocrisy'
Been a Labour MP since 2017
https://news.sky.com/story/rosie-duffield-resigns-as-labour-mp-13224014
Her resignation letter slams Starmer and the leadership for sleaze and terrible policies.
The 53-year-old MP is the first to jump ship ...[text shortened]... med of what you and your inner circle have done to tarnish and humiliate our once proud party,"
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@divegeester said1.4 million pensioners currently claim pension credit and so automatically are entitled to receive the winter fuel payment (as they have been means tested by virtue of receiving pension credit). - Why do you want to take away this link between pension credit and receiving the winter fuel payment, effectively taking the payment away from 1.4 million struggling pensioners? Why do you want them to be assessed again independently before they receive the payment, something that would take months to organise?
For the same reason that it needs an impact assessment, which you have just agreed is required! Why do you think there should be an IMPACT assessment?
Btw I suspect you haven’t thought this though and are just pissed at me as you always are since your last exit from the forums.
The quickest and most efficient way to ensure pensioners get the payment, who need the payment, is the current system of linking it to a means tested benefit already up and running.
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@divegeester saidI don't, and never have, supported the Labour party. And it's a bit rich for you to be questioning my politics when you have hitched your wagon to Nigel Farage and the Reform party riding on their anti-immigration ticket.
It seems that even a member of the Labour Party understands what Ghost of a Duke doesn’t seem to, or is pretending not to understand.
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@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidWhen people’s lives are at stake the “quickest and most efficient” process might suit the Labour Party’s agenda, for sure. But to neglect a full impact assessment which would highlight the need for a dedicated means testing process is lazy and callous.
The quickest and most efficient way to ensure pensioners get the payment, who need the payment, is the current system of linking it to a means tested benefit already up and running.
But you carry on defending it as I realise you support it.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidYou are supporting the Labour Party, here, now.
I don't, and never have, supported the Labour party. And it's a bit rich for you to be questioning my politics when you have hitched your wagon to Nigel Farage and the Reform party riding on their anti-immigration ticket.
You should be ashamed of your stance on this topic.