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@divegeester saidWhy are you dodging this ghost of a duke?
Why are you ignoring this?
Here you go [youtube]/-40_eDi1W68?si=JYe8Q-sjRYYzj-Kd[/youtube]
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@divegeester saidWhy are you ignoring the content of this Labour MPs resignation Ghost of a Duke?
And while we are on the subject of “Free Gear Kier’s” hypocrisy … MP Rosie Duffield quits Labour over Starmer 'hypocrisy'
Been a Labour MP since 2017
https://news.sky.com/story/rosie-duffield-resigns-as-labour-mp-13224014
Her resignation letter slams Starmer and the leadership for sleaze and terrible policies.
The 53-year-old MP is the first to jump ship ...[text shortened]... med of what you and your inner circle have done to tarnish and humiliate our once proud party,"
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@divegeester saidYour stance is illogical and entrenched.
You are supporting the Labour Party, here, now.
You should be ashamed of your stance on this topic.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidWhy are you ignoring those posts Ghost of a Duke?
Your stance is illogical and entrenched.
It’s good to have you back here, making all the wrong calls again. 🙂
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@divegeester saidBecause you are going off on tangents. What do I care if a labour politician has resigned over the issue.
Why are you ignoring those posts Ghost of a Duke?
It’s good to have you back here, making all the wrong calls again. 🙂
The winter fuel payment, especially in the current economic climate, should be means tested. It is not right that more affluent pensioners receive the payment simply because they are pensioners. Only pensioners who struggle to heat their homes in the winter should receive the payment. - Your focus should be on such pensioners being helped to apply for pension credit (if they are not already receiving it) as it is a means tested benefit and an immediate gateway to the winter fuel payment.
The government, past and present, have not done enough to support pensioners to apply for pension credit. (Nearly a million of entitled claimants haven't claimed). That's where the failure is. - And while the fuel payment is a one off annual payment, Pension credit is an ongoing benefit and far more significant and impactful.
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@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidOf course I’m not going off on tangents; the posts which you are ignoring are in direct response to what you have said.
Because you are going off on tangents. What do I care if a labour politician has resigned over the issue.
You posted about, and called me out twice on, the fact that is was Labour who introduced the winter fuel payment in its current form and which I am in support of. You were defending Labour of course. So I reminded you that “Labour” hold less than no virtue in this matter because despite introducing the scheme many years ago, they have now emasculated it AND did that only two months after Starmer is on video attacking the Tories for considering doing the same thing. So of course it’s not a tangent.
Secondly the content of Rosie Duffield’s savage resignation letter includes the hypocrisy and cruelty of this arbitrary decision. The decision on the winter fuel payment and the hypocrisy surrounding it is central to Labour falling from grace with the vast majority of the public (not you of course) and the strife within their party.
As usual you are on the wrong side of the issue, defending the indefensible, posturing and attempting to double down. A bit like Keir Starmer himself actually.
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@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidYes it should - HELLO!!
The winter fuel payment, especially in the current economic climate, should be means tested.
But not before a full impact assessment has taken place, which hasn’t been done. Once that is done the results will inform on the breadth and depth of change which is appropriate and then means tested to ensure only those who fall within the impact zone get the payment. None of this has been done.
And yet here you are, once again emotively triggered by my very presence, once again shouting from the wrong side of the fence and once again making yourself look silly.
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@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidThis Whataboutism of other related policy will not deflect from your arbitrary decision to support this awful decision by the Labour Party.
The government, past and present, have not done enough to support pensioners to apply for pension credit. (Nearly a million of entitled claimants haven't claimed). That's where the failure is. - And while the fuel payment is a one off annual payment, Pension credit is an ongoing benefit and far more significant and impactful.
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@divegeester saidMy decision to favour a means tested winter fuel allowance isn't arbitrary and is the rational choice to make in the current economic climate, irrespective of who the government is. Again, rather than (bizarrely) dismissing pension credit as the solution (Hello! it is an immediate gateway to the winter fuel payment for vulnerable pensioners) you should be advocating for better awareness of how to apply.
This Whataboutism of other related policy will not deflect from your arbitrary decision to support this awful decision by the Labour Party.
But if we are going to talk about awful decisions, perhaps you better review you own in jumping ship to the Reform party and all the nastiness that entails.
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@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidI refer you to my (several) previous replies to these comments by you.
My decision to favour a means tested winter fuel allowance isn't arbitrary and is the rational choice to make in the current economic climate, irrespective of who the government is. Again, rather than (bizarrely) dismissing pension credit as the solution (Hello! it is an immediate gateway to the winter fuel payment for vulnerable pensioners) you should be advocating f ...[text shortened]... ps you better review you own in jumping ship to the Reform party and all the nastiness that entails.
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@divegeester saidYour contribution to this thread can be boiled down to two points:
I refer you to my (several) previous replies to these comments by you.
1. A Reform party supporter taking pot shots at the Labour party
2. Virtue signalling
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@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidOf course it hasn’t, but I can see why you would want to paint it that way.
Your contribution to this thread can be boiled down to two points:
1. A Reform party supporter taking pot shots at the Labour party
2. Virtue signalling
@A-Unique-Nickname saidSuzi is not British and does not know anything about the current argument, and so has elected to stay out of it.
Dive and ghost going at it like the good old days... Where's Suzi?
My politics however, is in support of the elderly and I feel they should get an allotment to defray the cost of heat during the winter in their dwellings. I do not, however, support this assistance for those who are fully able to pay this cost themselves without difficulty.
I also do not wish to sit here and argue about it endlessly.
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@Suzianne saidThey actually agree with each other, pretty much the same as you have said but other personal differences lead have led to the usual fighting.
Suzi is not British and does not know anything about the current argument, and so has elected to stay out of it.
My politics however, is in support of the elderly and I feel they should get an allotment to defray the cost of heat during the winter in their dwellings. I do not, however, support this assistance for those who are fully able to pay this cost themselves without difficulty.
I also do not wish to sit here and argue about it endlessly.
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I remain neutral as I am from another Country. What happens in England doesn't have as an impact on me as what happens in the U.S.....Man I Pray that the Trumpster doesn't get back in the Oval Office. He should actually be locked up with the rest of his supporters that stormed the Capital on Jan 6., I date that will be remembered for Decades to come. The whole World watched in horror something they didn't think they would see in this more modern times. I am sure Russia, China, and North Korea enjoyed it.
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