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06 Mar 08
06 Mar 08
Originally posted by incandenzaDoesn't fritz provide 2nd and 3rd best move suggestions? I'm guessing the final probability must use some sort of weighted average of these move coincidences that may differ from the simple match-up rate which doesn't weigh the position of the moves.
I would be interested to know, at least in whatever sufficiently vague way it can be explained without giving up the shop, something about how these "probability of not cheating" numbers are calculated. e.g., how can Tal and cludi have such a similar matchup rate but such a hugely different "probability of not cheating"? What is the extra factor that's ...[text shortened]... to the game mods, I don't see how anyone can claim to be able to interpret these numbers.
06 Mar 08
Originally posted by no1marauderYou're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I just disagree with the path you took to reach your opinion. If you want to base your opinion on the cold, hard facts and numbers, then so be it. But to base it only on a "flight response" is, in my mind, misguided.
I don't buy it. If he was so unconcerned about the controversy and it's possible ramifications, he wouldn't feel the need to post a long defense. The fact of his doing so and then fleeing seems to be an attempt to avoid a decision being made by the appropriate authorities here while still trying to manipulate public opinion. In short, he is trying to (an ...[text shortened]... rnering sympathy. But sympathy is not something an innocent person is terribly interested in.
If I were an innocent person in this type of situation (again, I'm NOT necessarily implying that Cludi is innocent), I might very well take the same course of action as Cludi did - state my defense on my blog, then leave RHP to avoid the continuing, distasteful controversy. From a moral perspective, it would be important for me to unquestionably declare my innocence in some way before leaving. I see no inconsistency in Cludi's approach of his blog defense and impending RHP departure with a person who has a flight response personality. (Again, I'm not contending that he's innocent - only that you shouldn't base one's innocence or guilt solely on this flight response.)
06 Mar 08
The post that was quoted here has been removedStill, we're talking about one of the all time masters of the game and...Cludi. More time to analyze games doesn't necessarily make you play at Tal's level consistently.
Context or not, the figure is pretty damning. I don't see how the context makes it less so.
06 Mar 08
Originally posted by Palynkayou can get as many additional choices as you want, just pressing '+' key.
Doesn't fritz provide 2nd and 3rd best move suggestions? I'm guessing the final probability must use some sort of weighted average of these move coincidences that may differ from the simple match-up rate which doesn't weigh the position of the moves.
and I'd guess they do something like that, I know I do take that into account when I check someone for cheating.
06 Mar 08
Originally posted by Mad Rookbeing accused of cheating occasionally is an unavoidable part of being a high rated player on the internet. it comes with the territory, and is just something you must learn to cope with.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I just disagree with the path you took to reach your opinion. If you want to base your opinion on the cold, hard facts and numbers, then so be it. But to base it only on a "flight response" is, in my mind, misguided.
If I were an innocent person in this type of situation (again, I'm NOT necessarily implying ...[text shortened]... only that you shouldn't base one's innocence or guilt solely on this flight response.)
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Originally posted by PalynkaYes of course. But I said that cludi's ability isn't really comparable to those other guys but I think that it is safe to say that he is a good player and with databases from OTB GM's and CC GM's if one is really serious about it some high rate match ups mighyt show up form time to time.
Still, we're talking about one of the all time masters of the game and...Cludi. More time to analyze games doesn't necessarily make you play at Tal's level [b]consistently.
Context or not, the figure is pretty damning. I don't see how the context makes it less so.[/b]
One other thing to for the system to be ideal is to define a given time period, say 5 years, and each time that time period elapsed new tests should be done to the new top GM's CC and OTB and see how they measure up and then fine tune the threshholds again. My reasoning behind this at has more and more engines are becoming a tool to chess. Either opening preparation or study of complex middle-game positions. I know a thing like this would be very time consuming and probabily doesn't need to be done but I'm just saying things that would make all of this stronger.
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06 Mar 08
Originally posted by David Tebbcludi says that 2 people in the 2007 championship final have statistics which match engine use more than his own..,,will you be treating them as badly as Cludi?
It's all a bit more complicated than that. But I can't really go into it, as the Game Mods have developed their own sophisticated methods for analysing and interpreting the statistics. I don't think I could explain it properly even if I wanted to.
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Originally posted by Mad RookWho did? Bottom of page 1:
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I just disagree with the path you took to reach your opinion. If you want to base your opinion on the cold, hard facts and numbers, then so be it. But to base it only on a "flight response" is, in my mind, misguided.
If I were an innocent person in this type of situation (again, I'm NOT necessarily implying only that you shouldn't base one's innocence or guilt solely on this flight response.)
no1: People get convicted on circumstantial evidence all the time. Esp. when there is also direct evidence as there is in this case i.e. the Game Analysis of one of the strongest players on the site who was also an original Game Mod (and who's joining the Game Mods gave them great credibility from day 1).
06 Mar 08
Originally posted by David TebbWith all due respect, which is a lot I assure you, I don't think that explaining how the system works would be good. One guy tells, another guy, another guy tells a friend and the information could end up on someone willing to sidestep the system and still cheat.
I don't think I could explain it properly even if I wanted to.
06 Mar 08
Originally posted by no1marauderMy bad, after I made that post, I thought that I should have made it clear that I didn't think that you were basing your decision only on the flight response. I should have edited my post, but I thought about it too late. Apologies.
Who did? Bottom of page 1:
no1: People get convicted on circumstantial evidence all the time. Esp. when there is also direct evidence as there is in this case i.e. the Game Analysis of one of the strongest players on the site who was also an original Game Mod (and who's joining the Game Mods gave them great credibility from day 1).
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Originally posted by adam warlockYou're right, which is why I said "even if I wanted to."
With all due respect, which is a lot I assure you, I don't think that explaining how the system works would be good. One guy tells, another guy, another guy tells a friend and the information could end up on someone willing to sidestep the system and still cheat.
I didn't want to give out that sort of information, as it is highly confidential, and might help the cheats avoid being detected.