06 Mar 12
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Originally posted by utherpendragonI wasn't able to find out... nor did I really try so I can't say for sure. Someone gave me a link and I ran the batch just to see what I came up with. If you visit the text file I posted and find the opponents perhaps you can find out where and when the games were played.
Are these Correspondence Games or OTB ?
I'd guess they are CC, but I don't know for sure and that's why I didn't say either way.
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Ah, found where I found them under "Favorite Games"
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesscollection?cid=1007147
I was pulling games with more than 40 moves, so you should be able to figure out what games I pulled based on the list having number of moves made.
06 Mar 12
Originally posted by gambit05I have said the same thing before. There is no money involved here. Winning
That is a quite interesting statement. I dont' think that he [b]lies about the origin of life. He rather ignores the scientific data and builds up his own world (based on some sort of creationism). This seems to be well supported by his Bible knowledge. My contradiction here is rather, when somebody actively lives a life without sin (ok, this is the int ...[text shortened]... from his side), why would such a character sin in an internet game? Doesn't make sense to me.[/b]
by using a computer chess engine isn't worth 2 cents to me. That is why I
have already said I was not going to use the analyze board feature or set up
a real analyze board any longer and I would play thes games like OTB games.
But that does not seem good enough even though the highest OTB player I
have ever beaten was rated 1941 USCF and I usually play around 1600 OTB.
06 Mar 12
Originally posted by PhlabibitThanks. Appreciate it.
I wasn't able to find out... nor did I really try so I can't say for sure. Someone gave me a link and I ran the batch just to see what I came up with. If you visit the text file I posted and find the opponents perhaps you can find out where and when the games were played.
I'd guess they are CC, but I don't know for sure and that's why I didn't say ei ...[text shortened]... hem under "Favorite Games"
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesscollection?cid=1007147
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Originally posted by utherpendragonThey're incredibly high match rates for OTB games. Higher than any I've seen.
Are these Correspondence Games or OTB ?
It does make you wonder if they were cherry-picked.
According to the link
http://www.rhp15.com/MagnusCarlsen.txt
Game 1
6th Lausanne Young Masters 2005.09.18
Game 2
Corus Wijk aan Zee Group B 2006.01.15
Game 3
Khanty Mansyisk RUS 2005.12.12
Game 4
37th Chess Olympiad Turin 2006.06.03
Game 5
Essent Hoogeveen 2004.10.19
Game 6
Corus Wijk aan Zee NED 2008.01.13
Game 7
Corus Wijk aan Zee NED 2008.01.26
Game 8
Youth vs Experience 2006.08.26
Game 9
Reykjavik Rapid 2004.03.18
Game 10
18. Schwarzacher Open 2003.08.24
I'd like to know what the selection criteria was for the games, because the first 10 span over 5 years!
If I didn't know better I'd say it was cherry-picking.
A more sensible approach would be to look at chessgames.com.
Select the most recent 20 games Carlsen played against let's say FIDE 2200+ rateds which have at least 20 non-database moves & analyse those.
The section criteria is at best nebulous, at worst downright insidious.
06 Mar 12
Originally posted by ZygalskiI've given links to the games and "Cherry Picked" was picking games with more than 40 moves from the link I provided.
They're incredibly high match rates for OTB games. Higher than any I've seen.
It does make you wonder if they were cherry-picked.
According to the link
http://www.rhp15.com/MagnusCarlsen.txt
Game 1
6th Lausanne Young Masters 2005.09.18
Game 2
Corus Wijk aan Zee Group B 2006.01.15
Game 3
Khanty Mansyisk RUS 2005.12.12
Game 4
37th Chess Olympiad ...[text shortened]... lab's analysis. The section criteria is at best nebulous, at worst downright insidious.
Yes, the numbers blew me away too... run a batch.
06 Mar 12
Originally posted by PhlabibitI may be wrong but I think these games of Magnus are OTB. In the interest fairness, I would think comparing masters OTB games to somebodies CC games is like comparing apples and oranges.
I wasn't able to find out... nor did I really try so I can't say for sure. Someone gave me a link and I ran the batch just to see what I came up with. If you visit the text file I posted and find the opponents perhaps you can find out where and when the games were played.
I'd guess they are CC, but I don't know for sure and that's why I didn't say ei ...[text shortened]... be able to figure out what games I pulled based on the list having number of moves made.
06 Mar 12
Originally posted by PhlabibitYes, but "favourite games" collection is not the same as objective selection.
I've given links to the games and "Cherry Picked" was picking games with more than 40 moves from the link I provided.
Yes, the numbers blew me away too... run a batch.
I can pick favourite games of Weyerstrass & find either blatant engine use or evidence that he may well not have used an engine 😉
06 Mar 12
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Originally posted by PhlabibitRun a batch on Carlsen's 20 most recently completed chessgames.com games vs 2200+ rateds, each with at least 20 non-database moves.
I've given links to the games and "Cherry Picked" was picking games with more than 40 moves from the link I provided.
Yes, the numbers blew me away too... run a batch.
That would be the correct thing to do...
06 Mar 12
Originally posted by ZygalskiI've ran ten of Carlsen's latest games from chessgames.com using the usual criteria -
They're incredibly high match rates for OTB games. Higher than any I've seen.
It does make you wonder if they were cherry-picked.
According to the link
http://www.rhp15.com/MagnusCarlsen.txt
Game 1
6th Lausanne Young Masters 2005.09.18
Game 2
Corus Wijk aan Zee Group B 2006.01.15
Game 3
Khanty Mansyisk RUS 2005.12.12
Game 4
37th Chess Olympiad ...[text shortened]... analyse those.
The section criteria is at best nebulous, at worst downright insidious.
{ Top 1 Match: 240/438 ( 54.8% )
{ Top 2 Match: 321/438 ( 73.3% )
{ Top 3 Match: 370/438 ( 84.5% )
{ Top 4 Match: 409/438 ( 93.3% )
I'll get round to finishing them off soon(ish)
06 Mar 12
Originally posted by utherpendragonIt is if the games are error free ones from a Super GM selected over at least a 5 year period.
I may be wrong but I think these games of Magnus are OTB. In the interest fairness, I would think comparing masters OTB games to somebodies CC games is like comparing apples and oranges.
Lol!
I analysed plenty of FIDE World Championships & the Super GM thresholds are
Top 1 60%
Top 2 75%
Top 3 85%
The Games Mods also ran objective tests & found exactly the same.
Only cherry-picking will get higher match rate %'s.
06 Mar 12
Originally posted by ZygalskiDO IT!~
They're incredibly high match rates for OTB games. Higher than any I've seen.
It does make you wonder if they were cherry-picked.
According to the link
http://www.rhp15.com/MagnusCarlsen.txt
Game 1
6th Lausanne Young Masters 2005.09.18
Game 2
Corus Wijk aan Zee Group B 2006.01.15
Game 3
Khanty Mansyisk RUS 2005.12.12
Game 4
37th Chess Olympiad ...[text shortened]... analyse those.
The section criteria is at best nebulous, at worst downright insidious.
Don't accuse me of trying to make MC's numbers look high, I was picking games with more than 40 moves and nothing more.
Run a batch, or it's pistols at dawn!
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06 Mar 12
Originally posted by ZygalskiDO IT!~
It is if the games are error free ones from a Super GM selected over at least a 5 year period.
Lol!
I analysed plenty of FIDE World Championships & the Super GM thresholds are
Top 1 60%
Top 2 75%
Top 3 85%
The Games Mods also ran objective tests & found exactly the same.
Only cherry-picking will get higher match rate %'s.
06 Mar 12
Originally posted by PhlabibitYou don't seem to have a good grasp of the game selection criteria for this methodology.
DO IT!~
Don't accuse me of trying to make MC's numbers look high, I was picking games with more than 40 moves and nothing more.
Run a batch, or it's pistols at dawn!
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I've analysed more benchmarks than most.
Thresholds are thresholds for a reason, providing the methodology has been followed correctly.
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Let me put it this way.
I publish a list of 20 of my "favourite David Tebb RHP games" which he played over the last 5 years.
These are then batch analysed & the engine match rates are inhumanly high.
Poor old Tebb is hung, drawn & quartered because the games weren't selected objectively in the first place.
We all play the odd high match rate game, a GM like Carlsen even more so.
Collect the best 20 games from a GM over many years & you have meaningless results as far as top 4 match rate technique is concerned.
Because he is human, Carlsen makes inaccuracies & even the odd mistake. These won't feature in a fanboys' favourite game collection...
06 Mar 12
Originally posted by RJHindsCHALLENGE ME FIRST, I NEED THE POINTS!!!!!!!!
Since you have agreed to be fair and have apparently judged me as a cheat.
Then I will agree to the punishment you believe fair. I will agree to leave this
website and resign all games in progress if you believe that is appropriate. It
is your call.