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Originally posted by no1marauder
This was done about 3 and 1/2 years ago. Blobby was actually about an 800 or so rated player who used an engine (ChessMaster) for a few weeks and shot his rating up to almost 1200. Of course, to have that type of rating rise in such a short period, your play must be way about the 1200 level (try Math 101).

Dave Tebb said this regarding B ...[text shortened]...

Would you care to make an ass out of yourself some more regarding this incident?

Would you care to prove this point?

Originally posted by eldragonfly
You would have to be an idiot not to assume that this site, like any other online chess site, is absolutely overrun with engine users and cheats.

Make up your mind. You either think the site is overrun or you don't.

You can't have it both ways.

Originally posted by Dragon Fire
Would you care to prove this point?

You do realize that Dave Tebb was a member of the Game Mod team at the time, don't you? You know, the ones who recommended his ban?

Are you saying that I have to analyze a bunch of a banned players games three and half years AFTER he was banned for engine use to satisfy you? Get stuffed.

Originally posted by no1marauder
You do realize that Dave Tebb was a member of the Game Mod team at the time, don't you? You know, the ones who recommended his ban?

Are you saying that I have to analyze a bunch of a banned players games three and half years AFTER he was banned for engine use to satisfy you? Get stuffed.

So you actully cannot prove your point and you continue to use 2 users rated 1300 banned years ago after confessing cheating in the forums as apparent evidence that this site is infested with cheaters rated 1300 and use this as an excuse to misdirect us all from the far more serious problem of investigating and baning higher rated engine abusers who are doing far more damage to this site.

Originally posted by no1marauder
See ya.

I give players the benefit of the doubt, but at some point when the engine match ups are extremely high, when they are making hundreds of moves daily without any consequential errors, when an 1100 or 1000 rating jumps 500-600 points in a month or so, etc. etc. etc. etc. doubt is inappropriate. Humans unaided by engines cannot do these things.

Of course when a player (who has never previously been at 1700) climbs from 1100 to 1700 in a month or so making 100s of moves daily this is highly indicitive of engine use.

Isn't this one of the areas I repeatredly suggested warrants priority attention?

Originally posted by Dragon Fire
Make up your mind. You either think the site is overrun or you don't.

You can't have it both ways.

Nice try. But you are just making up silly distortions and promoting illogical and untrue statements, in order to justify your illogical meanderings and false statements/biased interpretations.

Originally posted by Kepler
What proportion would constitute "absolutely overrun"?

You first.

Originally posted by Dragon Fire
So you actully cannot prove your point and you continue to use 2 users rated 1300 banned years ago after confessing cheating in the forums as apparent evidence that this site is infested with cheaters rated 1300 and use this as an excuse to misdirect us all from the far more serious problem of investigating and baning higher rated engine abusers who are doing far more damage to this site.

You're begging the question wagonwheels.
false dichotomy = logical fallacy.

Originally posted by Dragon Fire
Of course when a player (who has never previously been at 1700) climbs from 1100 to 1700 in a month or so making 100s of moves daily this is highly indicitive of engine use.

Isn't this one of the areas I repeatredly suggested warrants priority attention?

And of course your fistful of "easily detectable" over 2000 players is nowhere in sight.

Originally posted by Dragon Fire
So you actully cannot prove your point and you continue to use 2 users rated 1300 banned years ago after confessing cheating in the forums as apparent evidence that this site is infested with cheaters rated 1300 and use this as an excuse to misdirect us all from the far more serious problem of investigating and baning higher rated engine abusers who are doing far more damage to this site.

It was already proven by the Game Mods 3 and 1/2 years ago, nitwit; one of them even said so! Yes, I could prove it by spending hours analyzing the games of a proven cheat; no, I'm not going to waste my time for your amusement. At the time, I did analyze one of his games that he played in the forums in real time with angie88 http://www.timeforchess.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=19780&page=1; it matched up over 90% and I PMed her with the results. Ask her if you don't believe me.

I've asked you several times to come up with a single statement that I have made that could possibly be construed to indicate that I believe that this site is infested with cheats playing at a 1300 level; so far, nada. All you are doing now is throwing a childish temper tantrum; grow up.

Originally posted by eldragonfly
And of course your fistful of "easily detectable" over 2000 players is nowhere in sight.

I could name a dozen players over 2000 who warrant immediate investigation.

Originally posted by no1marauder
It was already proven by the Game Mods 3 and 1/2 years ago, nitwit; one of them even said so! Yes, I could prove it by spending hours analyzing the games of a proven cheat; no, I'm not going to waste my time for your amusement. At the time, I did analyze one of his games that he played in the forums in real time with angie88; it matched up over 90% and I ...[text shortened]... 00 level; so far, nada. All you are doing now is throwing a childish temper tantrum; grow up.

I fail to see how the insertion of "nitwit" helps your argument.

Originally posted by exigentsky
I fail to see how the insertion of "nitwit" helps your argument.

It's an accurate and precise characterization of how DF is acting as regards this point. He refuses to accept the word of one of the Game Mods who recommended the banning of Blobby and insists that I spend hours analyzing games of a player banned 3 and a 1/2 years ago for engine cheating. Only a "nitwit" would demand such a thing rather than simply admit he was wrong regarding the matter.

Originally posted by Dragon Fire
I could name a dozen players over 2000 who warrant immediate investigation.

Go ahead.

Originally posted by no1marauder
It was already proven by the Game Mods 3 and 1/2 years ago, nitwit; one of them even said so! Yes, I could prove it by spending hours analyzing the games of a proven cheat; no, I'm not going to waste my time for your amusement. At the time, I did analyze one of his games that he played in the forums in real time with angie88; it matched up over 90% and I ...[text shortened]... 00 level; so far, nada. All you are doing now is throwing a childish temper tantrum; grow up.

I have spent a lot of time making detailed suggestions on targeted investigations designed to rapidly eliminate the worst and most obvious cheaters. I have PM'd sort of the "game mods".

I would like to see rapid in roads into this problem at the higher levels yet you are using an issue with a 1300 cheater called blobby to muddy the water. This is not where the main problem currently is, in my opinion but if blobby rose from 800 to 1300 in a month after previously being static at 800 even he would be picked up for investigation with my suggestion.

What is so wrong with my ideas which are designed to catch the worst cheaters that makes you resort to personnal attacks on me. Can you not debate the facts with the objective of finding a solution that actually works.