10 May 20
@metal-brain saidIf you read the study, I am wondering if you think the findings support a conspiracy?
Did you?
11 May 20
@wildgrass saidWhat conspiracy? Man made viruses are made all the time. This is not in dispute. Do you mean a conspiracy to suppress the origin of SARS2? You need to be specific.
If you read the study, I am wondering if you think the findings support a conspiracy?
I would remind readers here of the statement from PNAC, in a report titled, “Rebuilding America’s Defenses”, that
“Advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes may transform biological warfare … to a politically useful tool.”
11 May 20
@metal-brain saidSo you think the findings support the conspiracy theory that C19 was probably man made?
What conspiracy? Man made viruses are made all the time. This is not in dispute. Do you mean a conspiracy to suppress the origin of SARS2? You need to be specific.
I would remind readers here of the statement from PNAC, in a report titled, “Rebuilding America’s Defenses”, that
“Advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes may transform biological warfare … to a politically useful tool.”
11 May 20
@humy saidWhat conspiracy theory? Man made viruses exist. Where does a conspiracy come into play? So Pompeo denied it was man made after saying most experts say it is man made. Which contradictory statement is the truth?
So you think the findings support the conspiracy theory that C19 was probably man made?
It is common for governments to lie about being involved in stuff they would rather not talk about.
https://www.leftvoice.org/the-arrogant-imperialist-the-united-states-demands-american-mercenaries-release-after-failed-coup-attempt
Pompeo also denied being involved in the latest coup attempt by mercenaries that were once US military soldiers. Do you believe that too?
"If you tell a lie long enough, it becomes the truth."
Joseph Goebbels
"If you tell a lie, tell a big one."
Joseph Goebbels
@metal-brain saidI would have no interest in what a Nazi said or thought and I have no respect for Nazi opinions, only the facts.
What conspiracy theory? Man made viruses exist. Where does a conspiracy come into play? So Pompeo denied it was man made after saying most experts say it is man made. Which contradictory statement is the truth?
It is common for governments to lie about being involved in stuff they would rather not talk about.
https://www.leftvoice.org/the-arrogant-imperialist-the-u ...[text shortened]... becomes the truth."
Joseph Goebbels
"If you tell a lie, tell a big one."
Joseph Goebbels
So do you think the findings support the theory that C19 was probably man made?
Note how this question is NOT asking if man made viruses exist, which was never what I asked and not something I ever depute or deny as this is just part of science; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_virology
Your new straw man?
11 May 20
@metal-brain saidOk, let's go back. Why did you post the article on the conspiracy theories thread?
What conspiracy? Man made viruses are made all the time. This is not in dispute. Do you mean a conspiracy to suppress the origin of SARS2? You need to be specific.
I would remind readers here of the statement from PNAC, in a report titled, “Rebuilding America’s Defenses”, that
“Advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes may transform biological warfare … to a politically useful tool.”
11 May 20
@humy saidCertain experts say it is man made, especially from Russia. The Pentagon claims that is propaganda, but which side is lying is not known.
I would have no interest in what a Nazi said or thought and I have no respect for Nazi opinions, only the facts.
So do you think the findings support the theory that C19 was probably man made?
Note how this question is NOT asking if man made viruses exist, which was never what I asked and not something I ever depute or deny as this is just part of science; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_virology
Your new straw man?
I consider it a real possibility. No government would admit they created it. That is obvious. Since my government lies all the time about multiple things why should I believe the official story just because conformist minions do?
I am open to the possibility, especially since their so called proof it is not man made is scientists would do this and not that. Hardly convincing.
https://asiatimes.com/2020/02/covid-19-may-be-man-made-claims-taiwan-scholar/
Why would a Taiwan scholar lie? Funny how all these experts are liars even when they have no incentive to lie. It looks like you are the conspiracy theorist if you think a Tiawan expert is colluding with experts in China, Russia and Iran to lie.
What incentive does Fang Chi-tai have to lie?
11 May 20
@wildgrass saidBecause somebody is lying about the origin of SARS2. It is a blame game that is common in politics, but you don't call that a conspiracy so I am not going to call this a conspiracy until you can accept conspiracies happen all the time and they are just called scandals and denials instead of what they are, conspiracies.
Ok, let's go back. Why did you post the article on the conspiracy theories thread?
The latest coup attempt against Maduro was a conspiracy. Why isn't it being called that? Could it be because it is not a theory and it could never accurately be called that?
When a conspiracy is a fact and they want you to forget about it, they never use the word conspiracy in the corporate news media. That is why Iran/Contra is called a scandal instead of what it is, a conspiracy. That is why Operation Ajax is called a coup instead of a conspiracy.
Then there are conspiracy theories that are not called conspiracy theories, like Russiagate. When the corporate news media wants you to believe a conspiracy theory they never call it that.
You will swallow conspiracy theories without hesitation and reject others instantly if the propaganda leads you to believe either. It all depends on the narrative they feed you. They control the narrative, not you. That is why you accept double think without knowing it.
"Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will."
Joseph Goebbels
11 May 20
Men have high levels of enzyme key to COVID-19 infection, study finds.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ace2-men-idUSKBN22M0UA
What other viruses other than SARS and SARS2 kill more men than women? If I wanted to keep Asian men from defending their country this is convenient unless women can take their place easily.
Type "a" blood type is more susceptible to SARS2 as well. What race has the most percentage of the population with type a blood type?
@metal-brain saidThe article you posted doesn't seem to address any of those issues. Did you read it?
Because somebody is lying about the origin of SARS2. It is a blame game that is common in politics, but you don't call that a conspiracy so I am not going to call this a conspiracy until you can accept conspiracies happen all the time and they are just called scandals and denials instead of what they are, conspiracies.
The latest coup attempt against Maduro was a consp ...[text shortened]... se who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will."
Joseph Goebbels
Viruses of this type and virulence have ravaged humanity for a million years. 4 AA insertions happen naturally. There are many features of nCoV and SARS which suggest it is natural in origin. In fact, this article you posted does not suggest it is synthetic at all, although their term "possible gain-of-function" might be interpreted this way. It doesn't seem like these authors sought to determine the origins, only to compare similarities and differences to understand the features of its pathogenicity.
Of course, like any good pseudoscientific conspiracy theory, it is impossible to disprove even with mountains of contradictory evidence. Here is a study (letter to the editor) that does address that issue head on.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
"...since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible."
12 May 20
@wildgrass saidsince we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible."
The article you posted doesn't seem to address any of those issues. Did you read it?
Viruses of this type and virulence have ravaged humanity for a million years. 4 AA insertions happen naturally. There are many features of nCoV and SARS which suggest it is natural in origin. In fact, this article you posted does not suggest it is synthetic at all, although their term "p ...[text shortened]... ruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible."[/quote]
How is that proof? Sounds like an opinion to me. How does that rule out a laboratory-based scenario? A a laboratory-based scenario is not even necessarily genetically engineered since Pompeo and Trump say it escaped from a lab, yet is NOT genetically engineered.
Seems like the article you are pointing to is based on assumptions and biases, not actual science. A laboratory-based scenario is not what they assume it is if Pompeo wants it both ways.
@metal-brain saidYour straw man: Proof wasn't claimed there but rather the assertion "we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible" was made.
since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible."
How is that proof?
In other words, that assertion implies it is highly unlikely but not necessarily false that its man made. This is what most of the experts agree on and therefore I; that it is merely highly unlikely, not impossible. So far nobody, including you and any of your links, have shown any reason or good evidence to believe most experts are wrong on this and that C19 probably was man made.
@metal-brain saidThe article you posted doesn't seem to address any of those issues. Did you read it? Why did you post it?
since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible."
How is that proof? Sounds like an opinion to me. How does that rule out a laboratory-based scenario? A a laboratory-based scenario is not even necessa ...[text shortened]... ual science. A laboratory-based scenario is not what they assume it is if Pompeo wants it both ways.
I wrote in my comment that, due to the nature of the irresponsible assertion, it is impossible to disprove.
@Metal-Brain
"Sounds like an opinion to me'. You say it is possible C19 is man made. Funny, that sounds a LOT like an opinion to me, unless you are in fact a Phd working in the field.
So where did you get your Phd?