04 Feb 11
Originally posted by joneschrForgive me for the seemingly third degree.....but I think you are playing with me.
Well, no - in that response you said that people that tend their crops will destroy insects. That much was obvious. But it's unclear to me why the intentional destruction of many insects is necessary, in comparison to avoiding doing that by choosing instead to kill a cow.
In the post (11:18:28) did you get nothing from it except insects die when crops are planted?
Now think hard please....did I say anything else that will definitely answer your question.
The answer is their, and if you still cant see it....I will explain, but first try and see the answer.
I know you can do it.
04 Feb 11
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Originally posted by vishvahetuI would like an answer to my query about insect souls. Can say, a spider, do something, live out its lifespan in a way that would cause the inner soul to migrate down the food chain to something we would consider a lower life form, like a microbe or virus? If I have it right, you feel everything has a soul, like an individual electron or an individual quark. If so, a spider with its own soul is also constructed with quadrillions of other souls inside that spider soul, the souls of all those particles making up the spider. So can that spider do something that would put it further down the chain, to have to live the life of say, a virus, before it can come back up to the status of spider?
Forgive me for the seemingly third degree.....but I think you are playing with me.
In the post (11:18:28) did you get nothing from it except insects die when crops are planted?
Now think hard please....did I say anything else that will definitely answer your question.
The answer is their, and if you still cant see it....I will explain, but first try and see the answer.
I know you can do it.
04 Feb 11
Originally posted by sonhouseEverything does not have a soul.....but everything has life in it, around it and on it.
I would like an answer to my query about insect souls. Can say, a spider, do something, live out its lifespan in a way that would cause the inner soul to migrate down the food chain to something we would consider a lower life form, like a microbe or virus? If I have it right, you feel everything has a soul, like an individual electron or an individual quark ...[text shortened]... n, to have to live the life of say, a virus, before it can come back up to the status of spider?
An electron does not have a soul because an electron is not living.....but having said that, God is within the electron as the Super soul because God is omnipresent.
Just on your arm are millions of bacteria, and they are living.
Anything living has a predominating soul.
Nothing can live without the presence of the predominating soul.
In the body that I am using, is myself the soul, which is in a sleeping condition and has given the power of attorney to the mind and ego, and in the conditioned state the person does not identify with the soul, but instead identifies with the ego and mind.
This false identification with the false ego and mind is called illusion.
04 Feb 11
I know Vishva should be able to back up his claims, but really. This has been done to death. Even Vishva doesn't know the exact mechanics of reincarnation, conciousness and the other stuff he goes on about.
I believe he mentioned common sense somewhere back there.
For me it is common sense to be consious of what we eat, and the type of life it may have had. I hope the meat that makes it to my plate (I dont buy meat) has had a good life.
I dont want eggs from caged hens. Stuff like that.
Why all the hub-bub? (prolly cause of the way V presents it, right?)
Its a simple concept, be concious of where your food comes from, and , if you can afford it, buy organic meat AND veges. The price will come down if we support it.
Dont waste food.
Food fights are one of the most unfunniest things I have seen portrayed in funny movies.
While there are people starving, we should all be thankful for the choices that we have.
So lets vote with our pockets, and thank god ,(or your missus), for providing it for you.
Dont take it for granted or else you may be lulled into a false sense of security.
Lets get over all this "ant" business, it is not leading anywhere. Vishva has been blown away by many already. Lets just move on and be greatful.
04 Feb 11
Originally posted by karoly aczelThanks for this sensible post.
I know Vishva should be able to back up his claims, but really. This has been done to death. Even Vishva doesn't know the exact mechanics of reincarnation, conciousness and the other stuff he goes on about.
I believe he mentioned common sense somewhere back there.
For me it is common sense to be consious of what we eat, and the type of life it may h ...[text shortened]... ding anywhere. Vishva has been blown away by many already. Lets just move on and be greatful.
The meat industry is abject. One doesn't need the Vedas or any other religion to realize that.
04 Feb 11
May I add...
Why do I express concern over meat eating?
The reason I express concern is much much bigger than first realized.
Have you noticed that I do not charge the atheists with meat eating,.....as I do the persons who follow false religion.
The reason for this is, because in my presenting where the error is in substitute religion.........meat eating and animal slaughter for religious persons is the titanic of sins or errors, and religion must not have error.
Religion must present truth or it is bogus.
Religions that support animal slaughter are false religions and bogus....and cheat the people.
Do you now understand why this topic is most important, because now you know yourself that any religion that supports animal slaughter is a false religion and should not be followed.
04 Feb 11
Originally posted by karoly aczelI don't thank my missus for it, as I do most of the cooking. What I do cook is food which I have bought, as a result of earnings from my own hard work, so I DO NOT thank a God for it either.
While there are people starving, we should all be thankful for the choices that we have.
So lets vote with our pockets, and thank god ,(or your missus), for providing it for you.
Lets get over all this "ant" business, it is not leading anywhere. Vishva has been blown away by many already. Lets just move on and be greatful.
Back to Visha:
You believe bacteria has a soul?
Bacteria relies purely on the motor response, and cannot sense what is infront of it or behind it. It reacts to chemical change only. It does not have memory (or it has micro-second memory to back up a needed change of swim that it doesn't self choose, but motors choose for it for survival. Nor does it have prior knowledge, sense of what is really around it at a distance, nor is able to react swiftly to a change. Animals with sense/prior knowledge to forthcoming events, and the ability to move quickly, to evade attack, through further developed senses can! They have sentient feelings/emotions that bacteria cannot.
Hence, bacteria cannot have a soul!
-m.
Therefore, I argue that bacteria does not, and cannot, have a soul!
04 Feb 11
Originally posted by mikelomIn relation to the "thanking your missus" comment, I was just trying to say "be thankful" , in general. I do all the cooking too. But I am thankful to have an opportunity to have an education,(mainly from NOT from institutions).
I don't thank my missus for it, as I do most of the cooking. What I do cook is food which I have bought, as a result of earnings from my own hard work, so I DO NOT thank a God for it either.
Back to Visha:
You believe bacteria has a soul?
Bacteria relies purely on the motor response, and cannot sense what is infront of it or behind it. It reacts to ...[text shortened]... not have a soul!
-m.
Therefore, I argue that bacteria does not, and cannot, have a soul!
I am thankful for the opportunity that has been presented to me by bhuddist and other teachers.
Its just an attitude, or lack of one.
The closer we come to enlightenment, the bigger our egos become.
I have made my mistakes, and thankfully, have learnt from them.
I didn't need the fact that I couldn't purchase bread from the shops for a week,(during the flood),to know this.
04 Feb 11
Originally posted by mikelomYou argue many things, because it is the nature of the conditioned mind to speculate......and when one speculates they always invite argument
I don't thank my missus for it, as I do most of the cooking. What I do cook is food which I have bought, as a result of earnings from my own hard work, so I DO NOT thank a God for it either.
Back to Visha:
You believe bacteria has a soul?
Bacteria relies purely on the motor response, and cannot sense what is infront of it or behind it. It reacts to ...[text shortened]... not have a soul!
-m.
Therefore, I argue that bacteria does not, and cannot, have a soul!
Bacteria is living........and anything that is living, has the predominating soul within, that animates it to life.
Fungus is also living and has the soul within.
The human body and fungus both meet the same fate at death....they both turn to dust.
You were certain to let us all know that you will not be thanking God for anything....what a miserable condition of life to find yourself in, and how did you get there.
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Originally posted by vishvahetuSee - Vishi - first 4 lines - relatively solid post - some conjecture of course as you cant prove anything - but this posts pricks some interest - hmm - this guy has some intersting ideas- l wonder what else he posts......then your last line - what a farken tool. You lose it again. Concentrate your energies on your message without attacking those you are responding to.
You argue many things, because it is the nature of the conditioned mind to speculate......and when one speculates they always invite argument
Bacteria is living........and anything that is living, has the predominating soul within, that animates it to life.
Fungus is also living and has the soul within.
The human body and fungus both meet the sam ...[text shortened]... r anything....what a miserable condition of life to find yourself in, and how did you get there.
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04 Feb 11
Originally posted by vishvahetuI am not in an argument, post-say. You are!
You argue many things, because it is the nature of the conditioned mind to speculate......and when one speculates they always invite argument
Bacteria is living........and anything that is living, has the predominating soul within, that animates it to life.
Fungus is also living and has the soul within.
The human body and fungus both meet the sam ...[text shortened]... r anything....what a miserable condition of life to find yourself in, and how did you get there.
I posed questions, and simple questions they were.
Why is your demise that everybody is arguing?
A posed question is a simple request for an answer, not an argument.
If you had stated that beacteria has a soul, then I may further into further questioning.
Questioning is not an argument.
You see? Your concept of my questioning leads to you thinking there is an argument between us, which is in fact your allegory and not mine.
I asked you if you really believe bacteria has a soul. That's a question, not an argument.
People who argue are usually the people on a defensive of unknowns.
Those who have some proof, and evidence, don't argue - as they know. 😉
Does your God initiate hatred of what he gave to his own man? That being, "the scientific method of theory, experimentation, undoubted results and, therefore, proof?"
I am not in argument. I am simply posing questions.
-m.
Questions, as they are, that I would like reasonable answers to - and not 'God did it', purely cos I beleive. That has no essence.
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Originally posted by mikelomYou finished your post by saying......
I am not in an argument, post-say. You are!
I posed questions, and simple questions they were.
Why is your demise that everybody is arguing?
A posed question is a simple request for an answer, not an argument.
If you had stated that beacteria has a soul, then I may further into further questioning.
Questioning is not an argument.
You see? Y e reasonable answers to - and not 'God did it', purely cos I beleive. That has no essence.
" Therefore I argue that bacteria does not, and cannot, have a soul" end quote
That is why my response was,..... as it was, because it was not a question, but a statement.
04 Feb 11
Originally posted by vishvahetuSo your ending was; 'You were certain to let us all know that you will not be thanking God for anything....what a miserable condition of life to find yourself in, and how did you get there' ??
You finished your post by saying......
" Therefore I argue that bacteria does not, and cannot, have a soul" end quote
That is why my response was,..... as it was, because it was not a question, but a statement.
I am so happy you would have to have a self-enlightened illusion to know what I mean.
Miserable? That word doesn't exist in my vocabulary. That is a comparison of unknown entities to me, that word of which comes from you alone. No wonder you depress people! Being miserable is something you obviously experience with a passion. 😛
How did I get to where I am? I travelled the world; experienced all cultures; bettered myself, discovered that there is more than a God, and found happiness. That's how I got here, apart from my mum! 😏
-m.
How did you get to the miserable life you lead? 😕
04 Feb 11
Originally posted by vishvahetuYou still haven't answered my question about lower life forms, can those souls do something bad to get further demoted? And if you are a human demoted to say, a frog, when you get through with that life do you jump directly to human or do you have to spend a life as say, a lion? Then back to human? I don't understand the mechanics of what you say.
Everything does not have a soul.....but everything has life in it, around it and on it.
An electron does not have a soul because an electron is not living.....but having said that, God is within the electron as the Super soul because God is omnipresent.
Just on your arm are millions of bacteria, and they are living.
Anything living has a predomin ...[text shortened]... h the ego and mind.
This false identification with the false ego and mind is called illusion.
04 Feb 11
Originally posted by sonhouseDoes it matter? If I am reborn as a frog (because I don't listen at Vishvas teachings) how do I notice it? If I am a truely spiritual frog, and climb the latter to regain my former human status, do I really remember the struggle?
You still haven't answered my question about lower life forms, can those souls do something bad to get further demoted? And if you are a human demoted to say, a frog, when you get through with that life do you jump directly to human or do you have to spend a life as say, a lion? Then back to human? I don't understand the mechanics of what you say.
Is far as I remember I have only lived once (and this far not completely). I don't remmeber any other life, so from my persoepctive, I don't care.
I think Vishva think the soul is a kind of parasite, and this parasite lives of my mind. What this soul does or not does, how would it differ to me? I am not this parasite, I am Fabian. When the time comes, I'll die, even if my parasite will move on to the next body to infect.
I just don't care. I live now, I am Fabian, I am content with this.