15 Mar 05
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Originally posted by DarfiusRBHILL: Jesus spoke more about hell then he did of Heaven
How is he lying? Do you know what "weeping and gnashing of teeth" refers to?
He ain't talkin' about a dentist appointment.
He has failed to present passages proving this statement and even a cursory glance at the Gospels shows it is false. I reproduced the entire passage concerning the Sermon on the Mount; no Hell there, just how you could reach Heaven and salvation through love, charity and mercy towards your fellow man. You have twisted His message of salvation through good works towards others into a demented, hate filled belief system that the vast majority of human beings are doomed to damnation because they don't believe what your Fundamentalist cult does. You are not Christians and you do not follow the teachings of Jesus.
15 Mar 05
Originally posted by no1marauder4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Matthew
RBHILL: Jesus spoke more about hell then he did of Heaven
He has failed to present passages proving this statement and even a cursory glance at the Gospels shows it is false. I reproduced the entire passage concerning the Sermon on the Mount; no Hell there, just how you could reach Heaven and salvation through love, charity and mercy tow ...[text shortened]... r Fundamentalist cult does. You are not Christians and you do not follow the teachings of Jesus.
5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Matthew
5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut if off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. Matthew
7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew
7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 7:23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew
12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. Matthew
8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? 8:37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels. Mark
6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? 6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: 6:48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. 6:49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great. Luke
8:21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it. Luke
12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. Luke
5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. John
7:6 Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready. 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil. 7:8 Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come. John
8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. John
8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come. 8:22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come. 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins John
12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 12:45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. John
17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world John
THOSE were the words of my Lord Jesus, no1, much as you'd like to ignore them. He loves you, but He is RIGHTEOUS and deserves nothing short of praise, and should that not be given unto Him, He will judge you according to your sins, without the blood of Christ covering you. But should you believe on His son, He will judge you whilst looking at His son, and love the both of you for it.
REPENT, for the Kingdom of Heaven is near.
15 Mar 05
Originally posted by no1marauderDidn't RB said Jesus talked ABOUT hell more than Heaven? I don't think he mentioned the word hell specifically.
Go to http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/ type in the word "heaven" and search just Matthew, Mark, Luke and John; then type in the word "hell" do the same. The results are:
Heaven - 133 times
Hell - 11 times
So RBHILL was lying wasn't he?
15 Mar 05
Originally posted by no1marauderIf you don't even believe there is a heaven, then you truly don't know how to follow Jesus, s oyou can't say that I don't follow Jesus. Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand.
Your question is irrelevant to me; I don't know if there is a Heaven and even if there is, I don't know that faith in Jesus will get me there. You most certainly do NOT follow Jesus as you lie about His message as you have here by stating He talks more about Hell than Heaven. How can you lie about the words of someone you believe is God and then call yourself a Christian, RB?
You chose to got to hell for rejecting Christ or you can chose to go to heaven for accepting Christ, if you could get to heaven without accepting Christ then he died for nothing.
And for yourself if you think that there is no heaven you will for sure not be there. Like Darfius said there won't be any "weeping and gnashing of teeth" in heaven, but for thoses that go to hell for rejecting Christ. I believe though that being in hell it is not the heat or fire that is painful it is being seperated from God forever that is what is painful.
Lie Mr. D said you won't be
15 Mar 05
Originally posted by DarfiusThese two verses prove that more people are in helll then in Heaven.
4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, [b]Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Matthew
5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, sha ...[text shortened]...
REPENT, for the Kingdom of Heaven is near.
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7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew
Even Prisident Clinton got saved about a year ago, Praise God. He had seen hell he says in a report and that he saw people that he now there. And I believe it was during his first surgury.
15 Mar 05
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Originally posted by DarfiusBefore the endtime comes you had better hope you're free of the chains of that bullgod you follow ,,That is if you really believe in hell.
4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, [b]Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Matthew
5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: ...[text shortened]... Thou fool, sha
REPENT, for the Kingdom of Heaven is near.
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In the name of that bull god you justified putting children to the sword. You can't be with Christ and think like that. You've also have shown great disrespect for Mary the mother on Jesus out of your loyalty to that bull god , Damnation awaits you and so does the Beast . Your only hope now is that Mary intercedes ask prays to jesus to save you.
Maybe Ivanhoe and pcspian will pray for your immortal soul , but I wont , I've seen enough
15 Mar 05
Originally posted by RBHILLI really don't care what you believe as you are an irrational fool. YOU are not GOD, you have no special pipeline to what He thinks. YOU interpret the Bible the way YOU want and ignore Jesus' words. YOU lie and say He talks more about Hell than Heaven when the truth is there for all to see.
If you don't even believe there is a heaven, then you truly don't know how to follow Jesus, s oyou can't say that I don't follow Jesus. Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand.
You chose to got to hell for rejecting Christ or you can chose to go to heaven for accepting Christ, if you could get to heaven without accepting Christ then he died for nothin ...[text shortened]... it is being seperated from God forever that is what is painful.
Lie Mr. D said you won't be
I think both you and Darfius are pathetic little men who have a lot of hate for mankind; it's important to you that most be condemned to eternal suffering for your own twisted reasons. The fact that you dare to call yourself "Christians" when your message of hate and exclusion is exactly opposite what Jesus preached shows you really don't believe in Christ at all.
I don't pretend to have the answers; I'm a man and I don't flatter myself like you two do that I KNOW what God thinks and who's going to be saved. I am not a fraud or a fake like you, however, I admit my limitations. You preen about and have the audacity to say you're going to Heaven; that's God's call, not yours RB. You should be ashamed of yourself for lying about and twisting Jesus' message and for daring to condemn others in direct contradiction to Jesus' words, but it's all has to do with your petty ego, doesn't it RB? YOU think you know better thean Jesus did the Word of God and call yourself a Christian. Pathetic.
15 Mar 05
Originally posted by no1marauderWhy do you call the Truth hatred, no1? It is our love for you that causes us to endure your insults, jokes, and hatred. It is God's love for you and for us that gives us the strength and the will. It is God's love for the world that sent His son, Christ Jesus, to be a sacrifice for the sins of man.
I really don't care what you believe as you are an irrational fool. YOU are not GOD, you have no special pipeline to what He thinks. YOU interpret the Bible the way YOU want and ignore Jesus' words. YOU lie and say He talks more about Hell than Heaven when the truth is there for all to see.
I think both you and Darfius are pathetic li ...[text shortened]... think you know better thean Jesus did the Word of God and call yourself a Christian. Pathetic.
We don't have all the answers. We have the answers God gave to us. They're there for you to see.
We would never "twist" the words of our Lord Jesus. We simply see them all, not the ones that allow us to continue in sin when taken out of context.
Grace be upon you from the Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Mar 05
Originally posted by DarfiusYou ignore Jesus' words or even cut and paste them out of context to try and "prove" that only you and a small percentage of mankind will be saved. The story of the adulterer is absolutely clear; Jesus the man did not judge and neither should others. But YOU still insist on doing so. In Luke he says the same thing, but you ignore it. It is one of his central teachings, but because YOU in your arrogance and hubris believe that YOU can interpret God's word better than Jesus you pay it no mind. And call yourself a Christian? What a laugh.
Why do you call the Truth hatred, no1? It is our love for you that causes us to endure your insults, jokes, and hatred. It is God's love for you and for us that gives us the strength and the will. It is God's love for the world that sent His son, Christ Jesus, to be a sacrifice for the sins of man.
We don't have all the answers. We have the answers ...[text shortened]... s to continue in sin when taken out of context.
Grace be upon you from the Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Mar 05
Originally posted by no1marauderApparently you missed the part where Jesus the man judged the Pharisees, and the temple moneylenders.
You ignore Jesus' words or even cut and paste them out of context to try and "prove" that only you and a small percentage of mankind will be saved. The story of the adulterer is absolutely clear; Jesus the man did not judge and neither should others. But YOU still insist on doing so. In Luke he says the same thing, but you ignore it. It is one o ...[text shortened]... t God's word better than Jesus you pay it no mind. And call yourself a Christian? What a laugh.
15 Mar 05
Originally posted by no1marauderHe later goes on to say that His Father in Heaven judges all on the last day. He also says non-believers will be cast into Hell.
John 8:15: 15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
That Jesus speaking; should I take His word or yours, Darfius?
Why do you take what you like out of context, rather than embracing it as a whole?