Calling out Sonship on the trinity and salvation

Over the past nine decades the ministry of Watchman Nee and Witness Lee has edified believers in Christ and produced local churches on all six inhabited continents. The ministry of these two servants of God, which is published by Living Stream Ministry (LSM), stands upon the shoulders of the many great Christian teachers of the past to present both the broad span and the spiritual depths of the New Testament truths, particularly from the perspective of the believers knowing and experiencing Christ as their life for the building up of the church as the Body of Christ. The resilience of the churches produced through their ministry is exemplified by the believers in China, who have proven steadfast and have flourished in the face of decades of extreme persecution, as well as by hundreds of local churches in North America that have faithfully persevered and spread despite nearly forty years of intense opposition ...

@divegeester

If I were you, behaving as you are in this thread, I would be ashamed that I was embarrassed either of what I believe, or of what my church believes. Because it is clearly one or the other.

“In regard to their teaching and testimony concerning God, the Trinity, the person and work of Christ, the Bible, salvation, and the oneness and unity of the Church, the Body of Christ, we found them to be unequivocally orthodox.”

Furthermore, we found their profession of faith to be consistent with the major creeds, even though their profession is not creedal in format… Consequently, we are easily and comfortably able to receive them as genuine believers and fellow members of the Body of Christ, and we unreservedly recommend that all Christian believers likewise extend to them the right hand of fellowship.”

@sonship

Tell us all about the cult.

@divegeester

When salvation is inextricably linked to a specific doctrine outside of the fundamentals of Calvary it is cultish.

In order to be saved, one must have a living contact with Jesus Christ. Therefore, in bringing unbelievers to salvation, we emphasize prayer and calling on the name of the Lord. According to Romans 10:9 and 10, if a man is to be saved, he must believe in his heart and confess with his mouth.

Once a person has been saved, he may have both the assurance of salvation and the security of salvation. Once we are saved, we are saved forever.

Your church insists that in order to be saved one MUST accept the trinity doctrine, the triune explanation of the Godhead.

In regard to their teaching and testimony concerning God, the Trinity, the person and work of Christ, the Bible, salvation, and the oneness and unity of the Church, the Body of Christ, we found them to be unequivocally orthodox. Furthermore, we found their profession of faith to be consistent with the major creeds, even though their profession is not creedal in format… Consequently, we are easily and comfortably able to receive them as genuine believers and fellow members of the Body of Christ, and we unreservedly recommend that all Christian believers likewise extend to them the right hand of fellowship.”

According to Romans 10:9 and 10, if a man is to be saved, he must believe in his heart and confess with his mouth.

This is what the cults do, and you damn well know it. It’s why you won’t answer my question.

The doctrinal statement of the Local Church and LSM reflects a clear commitment to the fundamental tenets of Christian orthodoxy. In a remarkable spirit of humility, the Local Church has taken great pains to clarify and refine this statement through prayer and conversation with fellow evangelicals. I commend this gracious spirit and urge all true Christians to embrace our brothers and sisters in the Local Church, who share the same faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. Indeed, it is incumbent upon all believers to work through misunderstandings and misrepresentations of one another so that that we may serve together as partners in the gospel

Paul Copan is Pledger Family Chair of Philosophy and Ethics at Palm Beach Atlantic University. Dr. Copan is the past President of the Evangelical Philosophical Society and a well-known apologist. His books include True for You, But Not for Me and The Apologetics Study Bible,

Divegeester,

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and that God raised the Lord Jesus Christ from the dead ?

If you answer Yes then I ask you:

Which one of these two is not God -

1.) The Lord Jesus Christ

2.) The God Who raised the Lord Jesus Christ from the dead?

Which one is not God ?
Rather than a graphic smiley how about a clear answer?

Here you go sonship; you may have missed it the last 8 times I posted it. Read it old chap, refer to it.

Sonship here is a copy/paste from the statement of beliefs from the website of your own church sect:

”In order to be saved, one must have a living faith in the Person and work of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Every genuinely saved one has what the Bible calls the “common faith” (Titus 1:4), which includes what we must believe in order to be saved: we must believe that the Bible is the complete divine revelation wholly inspired by God; that there is a unique Triune God, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit; that Jesus Christ is the Son of God incarnated to be a man; that Christ died on the cross for our sins, shedding His blood for our redemption; that on the third day He was bodily raised from the dead; that He has been exalted to the right hand of God and made the Lord of all; and that He is coming again for His own and to set up His kingdom on earth.”

https://www.localchurches.org/beliefs/salvation/

Sonship if me not believing in the trinity doctrine will not preclude me in any way from being saved, all you have to do is, simply say so.

That’s “SAY SO”

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@sonship said
Divegeester,

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and that God raised the Lord Jesus Christ from the dead ?

If you answer Yes then I ask you:

Which one of these two is not God -

1.) The Lord Jesus Christ

2.) The God Who raised the Lord Jesus Christ from the dead?

Which one is not God ?
Rather than a graphic smiley how about a clear answer?

@divegeester

Nice try still.

From website An Open Letter.

There is one God (Deut. 6:4; 1 Cor. 8:4b; Isa. 45:5a), who is triune—the Father, the Son, and the Spirit (Matt. 28:19), co-existing (Matt. 3:16-17; 2 Cor. 13:14) and coinhering (John 14:10-11) in three persons, or hypostases, distinct but never separate, from eternity to eternity;
Christ, the only begotten Son of God (John 1:18; 3:16), even God Himself (John 1:1), became a genuine man through incarnation (John 1:14), having both the divine and human natures (Rom. 9:5; 1 Tim. 2:5), the two natures being combined in one person and being preserved distinctly without confusion or change and without forming a third nature;
Christ died for our sins and was raised bodily from the dead (1 Cor. 15:3-4; Acts 4:10; Rom. 8:34), has been exalted to the right hand of God as Lord of all (Acts 5:31; 10:36), and will return as the Bridegroom for His bride, the church (John 3:29; Rev. 19:7), and as the King of kings to rule over the nations (Rev. 11:15; 19:16);

Christ died for our sins and was raised bodily from the dead (1 Cor. 15:3-4; Acts 4:10; Rom. 8:34), has been exalted to the right hand of God as Lord of all (Acts 5:31; 10:36),

Sonship will rejecting the trinity teaching in any way preclude a person from salvation?

🙂

@divegeester

I don't know what you're smiling about while you make a fool out of yourself.

”In order to be saved, one must have a living faith in the Person and work of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

Christ died for our sins and was raised bodily from the dead (1 Cor. 15:3-4; Acts 4:10; Rom. 8:34), has been exalted to the right hand of God as Lord of all (Acts 5:31; 10:36),

Why are you taking so long to answer?

Are you at a "Dual - Uneness" with Christ being God incarnate and the God at whom Whose right hand He has been exalted bening God ?

If you are at a place of "Dual-uneness" lets see if we can get you to believe in "Tri-uneness" as well.

Christ the Son of God intercedes for the believers (Romans 8:34)

"Christ Jesus who died, who was raised, who is even at the right hand of God, who INTERCEDES for us. (Rom. 8:34)

And the Holy Spirit ALSO intercedes in and for the Christians (in the same chapter).

"And in like manner the Spirit ALSO joins in to help us in our weakness; for we do not know for what we should pray as is fitting, but the Spirit Himself INTERCEDES for us ..." (Rom. 8:26)

Which one is NOT God?

1.) The Son of God Who is interceding ?
2.) The Holy Spirit Who is ALSO interceding ?

Which one of these two is not God ?

Sonship, here is a copy/paste from the statement of beliefs from the website of your own church sect:

”In order to be saved, one must have a living faith in the Person and work of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Every genuinely saved one has what the Bible calls the “common faith” (Titus 1:4), which includes what we must believe in order to be saved: we must believe that the Bible is the complete divine revelation wholly inspired by God; that there is a unique Triune God, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit; that Jesus Christ is the Son of God incarnated to be a man; that Christ died on the cross for our sins, shedding His blood for our redemption; that on the third day He was bodily raised from the dead; that He has been exalted to the right hand of God and made the Lord of all; and that He is coming again for His own and to set up His kingdom on earth.”

https://www.localchurches.org/beliefs/salvation/

Please help me, does this mean that as I reject the teaching that God is Truine that I cannot be saved. Yes or No?

Thank you.

PS these words above are from statement of faith which you subscribe to. I don’t see one other Christian here defending this statement of faith, not one!

@divegeester

Please help me, don’t this mean that as I reject the teaching that God is Truine that I cannot be saved. Yes or No?

That if you confess with your mouth, Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. (Romans 10:9)