05 Dec 21
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWell I don’t know. I suppose it has more to do with how everything started and why instead of the question what are the odds!?
An estimated 2 trillion galaxies exist.
You think Earth is the only planet containing life?
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@avalanchethecat saidI have looked into it for myself. That’s why I know it’s bunk.
Maybe you should look into it YOURself rather than regurgitating nonsense you've picked up from creationist websites.
Still waiting for you to come up with some evidence for the resurrection which doesn't come from scripture.
And I’m still waiting for you to say if you realize the Holy Bible is not one book, but 66 books written by 40 men on three continents over 1,500 years.
And I’m still waiting for you to demonstrate that the Gospels and letters from the Apostle Paul are unreliable.
And I’m still waiting for you to explain the dramatic reversal in Paul’s position from being one of the worst persecutors of early Christians to being their greatest advocate and defender and the person who wrote most of the New Testament. He said he had an encounter with the Resurrected Christ.
And I’m still waiting for you to explain the dramatic change in Jesus Christ’s disciples - who went from hiding out in fear of the Pharisees after His crucifixion to boldly confronting the Pharisees and refusing their orders to stop preaching in His Name after His Resurrection.
And I’m still waiting for you to explain why nearly all of these disciples went to their executions rather than deny they saw Jesus Christ alive after His crucifixion.
And I’m still waiting for you to explain what happened to Jesus Christ’s body.
And I’m still waiting for you to explain how Christianity got off the ground as a religion if the Resurrection didn’t happen.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidI’ve read the whole Holy Bible - including the account in Judges of the man who cut up his concubine in 12 pieces and sent them to the 12 tribes of Israel.
Sonship will tell you they were actually unruly yobs challenging his chosen prophet. (Which totally justifies sending the bears to rip them to pieces.)
The elephant in the thread of course is why are you only reading the pleasant parts of the Bible?
You think that was pleasant?
@pb1022 saidYou left out the part where he gave the concubine to some rapists and told them to rape her as much as they wanted. I think her crime was that she was unfaithful.
I’ve read the whole Holy Bible - including the account in Judges of the man who cut up his concubine in 12 pieces and sent them to the 12 tribes of Israel.
You think that was pleasant?
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@pb1022 saidBut we are talking about God Himself sending bears to kill youths. Doesn't that trouble you?
I’ve read the whole Holy Bible - including the account in Judges of the man who cut up his concubine in 12 pieces and sent them to the 12 tribes of Israel.
You think that was pleasant?
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05 Dec 21
@ghost-of-a-duke saidIt depends on the reason. Like I said, I haven’t re-read that account. I’ll re-read it later today and get back to you tonight.
But we are talking about God Himself sending bears to kill youths. Doesn't that trouble you?
I haven’t read that passage in a long time.
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05 Dec 21
@rajk999 saidThe men wanted to rape him. To my recollection, It was the guy who owned the house who offered not only the man’s concubine but his (the homeowner’s) own daughter instead. I think that was when the man put out his concubine.
You left out the part where he gave the concubine to some rapists and told them to rape her as much as they wanted. I think her crime was that she was unfaithful.
I think that account in Judges has more to do with how low women were considered back then and the man’s cowardice, though obviously they wouldn’t have been in that situation if she hadn’t fled to her parents’ house and if the man hadn’t decided to stop in the town where he did.
05 Dec 21
@pb1022 saidSo.... just scripture then? lol
I have looked into it for myself. That’s why I know it’s bunk.
And I’m still waiting for you to say if you realize the Holy Bible is not one book, but 66 books written by 40 men on three continents over 1,500 years.
And I’m still waiting for you to demonstrate that the Gospels and letters from the Apostle Paul are unreliable.
And I’m still waiting for you to explain t ...[text shortened]... n how Christianity got off the ground as a religion if the Resurrection didn’t happen.
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05 Dec 21
@avalanchethecat saidAnd you haven’t demonstrated that Scripture is unreliable.
So.... just scripture then? lol
And you haven’t identified where Jesus Christ’s body is. Certainly you don’t need Scripture to know His body wasn’t found.
But what exactly are you questioning? That Jesus Christ existed? That He performed miracles? That He was crucified? That He was Resurrected?
Are you only disputing His Resurrection or are you disputing everything else?
And Scripture as a source for Jesus Christ’s Resurrection is one more source than you’ve got for macroevolution.
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@pb1022 saidI'm disputing all the magic and miracle parts of your scripture. You feel free to accept this uncritically while at the same time somehow believing that the disciplines of palaeontology, genetics, archaeology and ancient history are some sort of massive conspiracy though, that's cool. And that you know some secret 'mathematical' proof that evolution didn't happen. Lol.
And you haven’t demonstrated that Scripture is unreliable.
And you haven’t identified where Jesus Christ’s body is. Certainly you don’t need Scripture to know His body wasn’t found.
But what exactly are you questioning? That Jesus Christ existed? That He performed miracles? That He was crucified? That He was Resurrected?
Are you only disputing His Resurrection or are ...[text shortened]... e as a source for Jesus Christ’s Resurrection is one more source than you’ve got for macroevolution.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidAs you mention good reasons or otherwise, while I was reading some of the Apocrypha, I came across the background story to the Thief on the Cross [1st post in the thread 'Tales from the Apocrypha']. Christians are quick to claim that no good works are required, and that the thief did not do anything good but Jesus carried him to paradise on the basis of a mouth profession of faith. The story shows what actually caused Jesus to accept one and condemn the other and it has noting to do with faith. Anyway, this shows how very little we know about the background events in the bible, and it is futile to make claims not clearly stated in the bible. Could be that those youths we going on a rampage terrorising and killing innocent people in the villages.
To be honest, it troubles me that you think there might be a good reason.
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@avalanchethecat saidI think the miracles that Jesus Christ performed are mentioned in non-Biblical writings. I’ll look into the sources and get back to you.
I'm disputing all the magic and miracle parts of your scripture. You feel free to accept this uncritically while at the same time somehow believing that the disciplines of palaeontology, genetics, archaeology and ancient history are some sort of massive conspiracy though, that's cool. And that you know some secret 'mathematical' proof that evolution didn't happen. Lol.
I didn’t accept the Resurrection of Jesus Christ uncritically but looked into it for several months before concluding it was true - as atheists and experts in evaluating evidence have also done.
I don’t believe anything’s a conspiracy. I think many atheists want the theory of evolution to be true to justify their atheism and so they give the benefit of the doubt to the theory and dismiss evidence that contradicts it with the flimsiest of excuses. They believe the theory to be true - no matter what - and if evidence contradicts it, the validity of the theory is never questioned. The evidence is either considered faulty or it’s shoe-horned into the theory.
I don’t know of any “secret mathematical proof” that disproves evolution. It’s simply based on the odds. When odds get to be too great, they’re considered mathematically impossible.
If you’d open your mind and do your own research, you might be surprised what you find.
05 Dec 21
@rajk999 saidThe thief on the cross had absolutely nothing to do with his works, and his profession of faith was incredible. He understood and recognized that Jesus, even while hanging on a cross no different than the one he was currently on, had more going on than this earthy life could provide. Even Jesus' disciples ran away under duress at Jesus' arrest, this guy was dying on a cross watching Jesus die on a cross next to Him as well, and he still put his faith in Jesus!! He asked for His mercy, and Jesus gave it to Him. Acknowledging Jesus was about to come into Christ's kingdom is something even you haven't done as far as I know. You should stop talking about faith and mouth worship; you know nothing of either.
As you mention good reasons or otherwise, while I was reading some of the Apocrypha, I came across the background story to the Thief on the Cross [1st post in the thread 'Tales from the Apocrypha']. Christians are quick to claim that no good works are required, and that the thief did not do anything good but Jesus carried him to paradise on the basis of a mouth profession of ...[text shortened]... be that those youths we going on a rampage terrorising and killing innocent people in the villages.
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<<Christians are quick to claim that no good works are required, and that the thief did not do anything good but Jesus carried him to paradise on the basis of a mouth profession of faith.>>
You still don’t know the difference between believing in the heart and a “mouth profession of faith?” You still don’t get that God judges by the heart and not outward appearances?