Christ is for Christians

@pb1022 said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Did you forget to address this?

<<As far as the wickedness of man and number of senseless murders, I’m sure you’re aware that the population in Biblical times was far less than it is today.>>

We are living in a world of constant senseless murders and endless wars, some of which have been world encompassing. What are you on about?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Because you seem oblivious to the content of the OT. It's quite staggering.

Yes, go read up on the killer bears.

Yup.. the OT has a lot of bad stuff that people who read it cannot ignore.... the stoning of disobedient kids, the harsh punishment for sins. People also did not value life, like the guy who cut up a woman into several pieces to make s point.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
It's one click that explains evolution perfectly in a basic and easily understood video lasting 3 and a half minutes. What battle of links?

You asked, I provided.

Lots of statements in that video with no evidence to back them up.

I’ll ask again: How many transitional fossils are there? Darwin said for his theory to be correct, the number of transitional fossils would have to be “truly enormous.”

Is it?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
We are living in a world of constant senseless murders and endless wars, some of which have been world encompassing. What are you on about?

I don’t dispute that, but not sure what your point is. I think, as a percentage of the overall population, the numbers of wicked men and senseless murders and presence of violence in Biblical times was far greater than today.

@rajk999 said
Yup.. the OT has a lot of bad stuff that people who read it cannot ignore.... the stoning of disobedient kids, the harsh punishment for sins. People also did not value life, like the guy who cut up a woman into several pieces to make s point.

The unnamed murdered woman in Judges was dead when he did that (according to most translations) and his cutting up the woman and sending her body parts to the twelve tribes of Israel was intended to get justice for her and eventually led to all-out war when the Benjamites wouldn’t give up the men who gang raped and murdered her.

Getting justice and making a point are not the same.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
The OT God was tribal God, killing people left, right and centre for petty and jealous reasons. There is some really awful stuff in the OT. Go have a read.

No, the God of the Old Testament was far from tribalism. The gods of that time were tribal; it was thought the strongest gods favored the powerful; the greater the king, the greater the nation, the greater the gods. You don't see that in the OT; instead, God reigns and demands obedience to His rule, which did not favor the rich and powerful.

@pb1022 said
The unnamed murdered woman in Judges was dead when he did that (according to most translations) and his cutting up the woman and sending her body parts to the twelve tribes of Israel was intended to get justice for her and eventually led to all-out war when the Benjamites wouldn’t give up the men who gang raped and murdered her.

Getting justice and making a point are not the same.

I said people did not value life. The man gave these criminals the woman, his concubine to rape her and abuse her. He encouraged the act.

@rajk999 said
Apparently. So says some Christian churches. Some interesting Christian church doctrines

1. To get forgiveness of sins one must profess faith in Christ and his resurrection.
2. Christians have a free pass to the Kingdom of God.... Because their sins have been forgiven.

Here John contradicts several church doctrines:

[i]My little children, these things write ...[text shortened]... sing faith as Christians mistakenly believe they know Christ but that is not supported in the bible.

Where there is no profession of knowing Christ, is someone credited with knowing Christ? We know Christ died for the whole world; no one I know disputes that Jesus is the propitiation for the world, no one I know disputes that. Your number 3 and 4 sounds a bit contradictory if the goal is to know Christ; how could someone who doesn't profess Christ be someone who could be counted as knowing Him? Jesus said the work that is required is to believe in Him. There are no disputes works will be done, no one disputes that, but if you are not putting your faith in Christ, what good is your works if they are not in Him? If Jesus is denied in this life, will He not deny those who deny Him in the next?

John 6:29
English Standard Version
Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

John 17:3
And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

1 Corinthians 1:21
For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.

There are those who will, even with Jesus dying for their sins, they will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6:8-10
English Standard Version
But you yourselves wrong and defraud—even your own brothers!

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

@kellyjay said
Where there is no profession of knowing Christ, is someone credited with knowing Christ? We know Christ died for the whole world; no one I know disputes that Jesus is the propitiation for the world, no one I know disputes that. Your number 3 and 4 sounds a bit contradictory if the goal is to know Christ; how could someone who doesn't profess Christ be someone who could be co ...[text shortened]... thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

You are a true mouth worshipper and cannot understand that there is virtue in doing and obeying and not in professing and talking. Fortunately Jesus understands the difference and know who are his sheep and true followers.

@rajk999 said
You are a true mouth worshipper and cannot understand that there is virtue in doing and obeying and not in professing and talking. Fortunately Jesus understands the difference and know who are his sheep and true followers.

I'm quoting you scripture that flies in the face of your doctrine; you cannot deny Jesus Christ and have Him not deny you. Those who follow sin and not the Spirit of God are servants of sin, accept according to your doctrine, which does not line up with the whole Bible, including all the things done and said by Christ. You assume things that are not backed up by scripture, trying to make things connect and fit together that do not line up with the rest of the Bible. Even the claims you make do not align with all the claims you make.

@kellyjay said
I'm quoting you scripture that flies in the face of your doctrine; you cannot deny Jesus Christ and have Him not deny you. Those who follow sin and not the Spirit of God are servants of sin, accept according to your doctrine, which does not line up with the whole Bible, including all the things done and said by Christ. You assume things that are not backed up by scripture, t ...[text shortened]... e up with the rest of the Bible. Even the claims you make do not align with all the claims you make.

Does your mouth worshipping doctrine line up with the whole of scripture?

@rajk999 said
Are all the sins of professed Christians forgiven?

[i]Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; (Romans 3:24-25 KJV)

For if we sin wilfully after th ...[text shortened]... tians have a free pass to the Kingdom of God because all their sins are forgiven is a false doctrine

All the sins were died for so all sins were covered by the blood of the lamb. This is not now a license to sin willfully for each sin was paid for by the blood of the lamb, who could say they love the Lord and then remain a sinner by choice, willing sinning and not repenting? We come to Christ because only through Him is there forgiveness to sin, paid for by the blood of the lamb, not because of anything we can do to redeem ourselves.

If we sin after we turn to the Lord, our redemption is still inside the grace of God, nothing about that changes. If we say we have no sin we make God out to be a liar, so it boils down to this, does God accept us and in us is working out our salvation, as we fall we get back up and repent, or according to you we are forgiven it doesn't matter if you repent or not, it doesn't matter if you come to God or not, only that there are some good works done by you?

@rajk999 said
Does your mouth worshipping doctrine line up with the whole of scripture?

Yes, I believe the doctrine I profess does line up with all of the Bible. I cannot ignore any passage as if it wasn't from God. Those who deny Jesus will be denied by Jesus, those who don't forgive will not be forgiven; it is a narrow path that leads to life; it isn't wide open for everyone no matter what, not everyone will find Jesus to serve Him.

@kellyjay said
All the sins were died for so all sins were covered by the blood of the lamb.

This sentence is not in the bible. I dealt with this false church doctrine in the second post of the Page 1. Reply to that post if you like.

You are really clueless. People post stuff and you come in to a thread and ask the same dumb questions or make ridiculous statements contrary to the bible and expeck people to deal with it. It has been dealt with already and you cannot rebutt the bible.

All the sins of Christians are NOT AUTOMATICALLY FORGIVEN AS CHRISTIANS BELIEVE.

@rajk999 said
Are all the sins of professed Christians forgiven?

[i]Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; (Romans 3:24-25 KJV)

For if we sin wilfully after th ...[text shortened]... tians have a free pass to the Kingdom of God because all their sins are forgiven is a false doctrine

Your approach to this is what, all sins are not forgiven, or they are? There isn't any other answer; if they are not forgiven, then any sin not covered by the blood of Christ remains unanswered for and will still be required to be dealt with by the sinner in punishment for it. If they are forgiven, how does God choose to do that by forgiving every sin no matter what? Why would God allow that which is death to the sinner to continue as if nothing happened to them? If you give yourself over to sin, sin is your master, not the Lord!

If we give ourselves to the Lord and we come up short, we have an advocate Christ the Lord, who forgives us if we fail by sinning. You either are giving your life the Lord or sin by choice. To the Lord, it is He who forgives us, not our ability to do it all perfectly, that matters. This doesn't mean we don't strive towards perfection because that is the goal.

Sinners who are not repentant towards God are not cleaned from sin due to good works; no one is cleaned by virtue of our good works; good works are a result of the goodness of God entering into the sinner, freeing them of the power of sin.