04 Dec 21
@kellyjay saidAll a bunch of stupid questions, and idiotic comments
Your approach to this is what, all sins are not forgiven, or they are? There isn't any other answer; if they are not forgiven, then any sin not covered by the blood of Christ remains unanswered for and will still be required to be dealt with by the sinner in punishment for it. If they are forgiven, how does God choose to do that by forgiving every sin no matter what? Why wou ...[text shortened]... orks are a result of the goodness of God entering into the sinner, freeing them of the power of sin.
Page #1, Post #2, READ THE DAMN THING.
Then Read Your Bible.
The Bible says clearly that all sins are not forgiven.
Your church doctrine says otherwise.
You deal with that.
I have no interest in what you think God is going to do.
Im here to discuss the doctrine of Christ.
04 Dec 21
@rajk999 saidMany things we say to one another are not direct quotes from scripture, so what? They either line up the Biblical text, or they don't. Christ died for all; not all will be saved; some will end up in Hell. Matthew 7 is quite clear on the matter says,
This sentence is not in the bible. I dealt with this false church doctrine in the second post of the Page 1. Reply to that post if you like.
You are really clueless. People post stuff and you come in to a thread and ask the same dumb questions or make ridiculous statements contrary to the bible and expeck people to deal with it. It has been dealt with already and you can ...[text shortened]... ebutt the bible.
All the sins of Christians are NOT AUTOMATICALLY FORGIVEN AS CHRISTIANS BELIEVE.
"For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few."
04 Dec 21
@rajk999 saidNo, you are here to tell everyone what you think, which is not according to scripture.
All a bunch of stupid questions, and idiotic comments
Page #1, Post #2, READ THE DAMN THING.
Then Read Your Bible.
The Bible says clearly that all sins are not forgiven.
Your church doctrine says otherwise.
You deal with that.
I have no interest in what you think God is going to do.
Im here to discuss the doctrine of Christ.
@rajk999 said"So the church doctrine that Christians have a free pass to the Kingdom of God because all their sins are forgiven is a false doctrine"
Are all the sins of professed Christians forgiven?
[i]Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; (Romans 3:24-25 KJV)
For if we sin wilfully after th ...[text shortened]... tians have a free pass to the Kingdom of God because all their sins are forgiven is a false doctrine
Your rejection of God's everlasting grace given to us now sounds more of an issue with the nature of God and time than forgiveness. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He does not change. He is the prime reality, He always was the prime reality, and He always will be the prime reality. He is good; He always was good and always will be good. He doesn't change; He cannot get better, He cannot get worse, He is the great "I AM." This is one of the reasons His love is everlasting; it is an eternal pool that is nothing but pure love and never diminishes; it is no different from His grace, mercy, and justice.
A lot of thought from people through time has an issue with God and time, how that affects everything from truth, judgment, goodness, and on and on. God being the eternal One, as is, is not disconnected at any point in time in the past, present, or future He is consistently God in all points no matter how we regard God. So His judgments are true; when He forgives, He forgives in all points in time. Here we see things differently as we deal with the past, present, and future, so things like below make sense.
John 17:24
Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world.
Ephesians 1
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
1 Peter 1:19-21
English Standard Version
but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.
We see that God had accepted His own before they were ever born, before even the very foundations of the world were put in place. Does this take away our choices, no it confirms them! Does this mean once we accept God, we can now sin as we will, would this be acceptable to God, no. Once we are forgiven, can we then act as if we can not condemn everyone for every wrong against us and remain forgiven, no. We are also walking with God who lives forever as is; we cannot slight God, take advantage of God, and think we can love our sins and keep them and still count ourselves forgiven for some things we have no intention of ever repenting of, or hold others to account when we want to be forgiven for all we have done wrong. Your crying that having God forgive us now releases us to sin is not a reflection on the reality of God's grace; it has more to do with us becoming good enough by our efforts, not the justifying grace Jesus Christ gives us through His sacrifice for us.
Unlike us when we write a book, our heroes can do good and bad things; they have no choice in anything; they are the products of our will; they have no will of their own. This is not true with God. He can give us the will to act and see when we turn to Him and, as we do, are accepted by Him.
How does this play out in time? Everyone has the right to become children of God, but not everyone wants it, so will God force that upon anyone? No, the element of our choices have been given to us by God as we are made in His image, we choose. This is not a contradiction; if it were us doing it, yes, with God, no, we are given the ability to choose, and both God and us will live with these choices even if it means we reject God and all that has to do with God going forward.
No one can be judged for a choice they had no choice in the making; only ones we have made can God condemn us for them justly. We are called to love; love is either a choice to do or isn't real. No one can compel another to love them; it is a natural thing; when I met my wife when I saw my children born, it wasn't anything I had to do; love was real in those relationships. Love is more than feelings; as you point out regularly, if it is real, there will be visible results; we would never allow someone we care about to suffer if it is in our power to do something about it. If we could ignore them, then our love for them should be questioned over our love for ourselves.
In our lives, we can trust in our efforts or the efforts of others, but we will walk out our faith as we do life. I can get on a plane as an act of faith in human engineering, get in my car and drive, allow someone to cut me open, and remove from my body what someone else told me was cancer. I can trust that God has made away for me to be right with Him because of something God did, not my efforts.
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
@kellyjay saidPeople need to expand their vocabulary when responding to your posts so here are some other useful words to describe your posts
"So the church doctrine that Christians have a free pass to the Kingdom of God because all their sins are forgiven is a false doctrine"
Your rejection of God's everlasting grace given to us now sounds more of an issue with the nature of God and time than forgiveness. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He does not change. He is the prime reality, He always was ...[text shortened]... s on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
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04 Dec 21
@rajk999 saidIt's a shame your level of response hardly ever rises above grade school insults.
People need to expand their vocabulary when responding to your posts so here are some other useful words to describe your posts
applesauce [slang], balderdash, baloney (also boloney), beans, bilge, blah (also blah-blah), blarney, blather, blatherskite, blither, bosh, bull [slang], bunk, bunkum (or buncombe), claptrap, codswallop [British], crapola [slang], crock, ...[text shortened]... pocus, hokeypokey, twaddle
chatter, gab, patter, prate, tattle, twitter
cackle, clack, clatter
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Hey rajk999, when you’re insulting and belittling people and condemning them to hell, are you following this commandment from Jesus Christ?
“A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.”
(John 13:34-35)
Are those verses not in red in your Holy Bible?
@pb1022 saidHey PB1022, do you know what Jesus meant when he said to love one another. Well your church has deceived you again.. its not about talking nice sweet words to each other, especially when it comes to the Gospel of Christ. Love one another means brotherly love or charitable love and that means what Matt 25 said about who enters the Kingdom of God - feed the hungry, clothe the naked, help the poor etc etc.
@Rajk999
Hey rajk999, when you’re insulting and belittling people and condemning them to hell, are you following this commandment from Jesus Christ?
“A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.”
(John 13:34-35)
Are those verses not in red in your Holy Bible?
You church Christians go to church and give one another hugs and kisses, you smile and say nice things ... great hair style, cute shoes, nice Gucci handbag, hey you bought a Tesla. . cool, God is really blessing you..... Im saved Im blessed ,, praise the Lord !! ...
And then when you drive down the road you pass through the slums and housing projects with your dark tinted Escapade and ignore the very same people Jesus told you to show brotherly love to ...
So dont display your church ignorance for all to seee ... you hypocrite.
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04 Dec 21
@Rajk999
You seem to have a tremendous amount of hatred in you.
You know nothing about me and what I have done and do to help the poor, and you conjure up these wild fantasies that have nothing to do with reality and that you then use to condemn me and others.
That’s called bearing false witness. Did Jesus tell his followers to lie about other Christians and falsely condemn them? Where is that commandment in your Holy Bible?
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04 Dec 21
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And I got news for you - anyone who needs to be told to help the poor isn’t a Christian, unless they only very recently became one.
You seem to lack understanding of the purpose and power of God’s Holy Spirit indwelling a Christian, particularly if that Christian is into The Word and prayer.
04 Dec 21
@pb1022 saidThere are 3,000,000,000 Christian's. If they were helping the poor there would be no poverty in the world. So it's either you living under a rock or you are a liar. Judging from your posts, it's the latter.
@Rajk999
And I got news for you - anyone who needs to be told to help the poor isn’t a Christian, unless they only very recently became one.
You seem to lack understanding of the purpose and power of God’s Holy Spirit indwelling a Christian, particularly if that Christian is into The Word and prayer.
04 Dec 21
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@pb1022 saidYeah... because I have demonstrated that your church doctrines are false and you have failed to justify them you jokers have started to attack me and ask personal questions in an attempt to derail the topic.
@Rajk999
You seem to have a tremendous amount of hatred in you.
You know nothing about me and what I have done and do to help the poor, and you conjure up these wild fantasies that have nothing to do with reality and that you then use to condemn me and others.
That’s called bearing false witness. Did Jesus tell his followers to lie about other Christians and falsely condemn them? Where is that commandment in your Holy Bible?
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04 Dec 21
@rajk999 saidNot everyone who claims to be a Christian is a Christian.
There are 3,000,000,000 Christian's. If they were helping the poor there would be no poverty in the world. So it's either you living under a rock or you are a liar. Judging from your posts, it's the latter.
Based on the tremendous hatred in your heart and your continual bearing of false witness and condemnation based on that false witness, I honestly question whether you’re a Christian.
I’ve never met a Christian with so much hatred in his heart - especially when that hatred is based on lies.
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04 Dec 21
@rajk999 saidAttack you? You do nothing but lie about, attack and condemn people on here.
Yeah... because I have demonstrated that your church doctrines are false and you have failed to justify them you jokers have started to attack me and ask personal questions in an attempt to derail the topic.
I’ve come to the conclusion that you’re simply an atheist trolling Christians. You wouldn’t be the first.
You don’t seem to have any love in your heart and you certainly don’t exhibit the fruit of the Spirit as identified by the Apostle Paul in Galatians.
You know who the accuser of the brethren is? Sounds an awful lot like you.
04 Dec 21
@pb1022 saidYou mean you never came across any chuch pastors sexually abusing kids, stealing money from the church , lying to the congregation etc etc?
Not everyone who claims to be a Christian is a Christian.
Based on the tremendous hatred in your heart and your continual bearing of false witness and condemnation based on that false witness, I honestly question whether you’re a Christian.
I’ve never met a Christian with so much hatred in his heart - especially when that hatred is based on lies.
You belong to the worlds most corrupt and greedy organisation... and you are lying when you claim you dont know about it