Definition of a cult

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
goodbye FMF, you had your chance.

The way the "practice" is carried out by your organisation is described by ex-members. You have to address the awful practices that they have experienced at the hands of your organisation and show where they are justified by the bible. Are you claiming those two fragments justify the treatment of ex-members that is meted out by your organisation and those who remain its members?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no here are his words again,

the practice of [b]disfellowshipping and shunning as carried out by your organisation is detailed in the Bible.

He did not mention psychological bullying or anything of the sort, you did, nor did he state that it should be based upon biased and disgruntled testimony of ex witness, he stated, Biblically, You will not wreck another discussion with your inability to follow a simple premise.[/b]

I think the practice of shunning is psychological bullying, most definitely.

As FMF has pointed out already, I'm not contesting that those members of the congregation who fall short of the standards set can be removed and that the Bible supports that course of action. It's the next step that your organisation takes that I don't think can be supported Biblically. Shunning.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I think the practice of shunning is psychological bullying, most definitely.

As FMF has pointed out already, I'm not contesting that those members of the congregation who fall short of the standards set can be removed and that the Bible supports that course of action. It's the next step that your organisation takes that I don't think can be supported Biblically. Shunning.

robbie is trying to pretend that this isn't what you meant and isn't what is being discussed.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
He did not mention psychological bullying or anything of the sort, you did, nor did he state that it should be based upon biased and disgruntled testimony of ex witness, he stated, Biblically, You will not wreck another discussion with your inability to follow a simple premise.

Is psychological bullying Biblically justified?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Your reference:
(1 Corinthians 5:5-7) you hand such a man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, in order that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord. Your [cause for] boasting is not fine. Do you not know that a little leaven ferments the whole lump? Clear away the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, according as you are free from ferm ...[text shortened]... sses his doubt concerning any man-made JW doctrine.


[b]Why did you leave that part out?[/b]

you hand such a man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, in order that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord. Your [cause for] boasting is not fine. Do you not know that a little leaven ferments the whole lump? Clear away the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, according as you are free from ferment.

what do you think this means Jonah Hinds?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I think the practice of shunning is psychological bullying, most definitely.

As FMF has pointed out already, I'm not contesting that those members of the congregation who fall short of the standards set can be removed and that the Bible supports that course of action. It's the next step that your organisation takes that I don't think can be supported Biblically. Shunning.

At last an honest appraisal, so you agree that Biblically an unrepentant person can and should be removed from the congregation? Shunning we shall get onto when i come back, i need to do one or two things and remember you stated that it cannot be established Biblically. In the meantime a song,

I shot FMF, but i never shot divegeester
Sheriff FMF always hated I,
Why i dont know,
Every time i plant a seed he say kill it before it grows,
He says kill them before they grow,

but i say,

I shot FMF, but i did not shoot divegeester, oh no!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
At last an honest appraisal, so you agree that Biblically an unrepentant person can and should be removed from the congregation? Shunning we shall get onto when i come back, i need to do one or two things and remember you stated that it cannot be established Biblically. In the meantime a song,

I shot FMF, but i never shot divegeester
Sheriff F ...[text shortened]... ll them before they grow,

but i say,

I shot FMF, but i did not shoot divegeester, oh no!

I think that removing someone from a congregation can be Biblically supported. Are you going to fire 1 Corinthians 5 at me when you return?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
At last an honest appraisal, so you agree that Biblically an unrepentant person can and should be removed from the congregation?

I must have said words to the effect of "That a group can expel people is not at issue" something like half a dozen times, robbie. It's as if you're pretending I did not.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you hand such a man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, in order that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord. Your [cause for] boasting is not fine. Do you not know that a little leaven ferments the whole lump? [b]Clear away the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, according as you are free from ferment.

what do you think this means Jonah Hinds?[/b]

The leaven refers to the sin of that man. What was Mark Hunter's sin that he could not be forgiven in your opinion?

Ronald Jesus Hinds 😏

P.S You did not answer why you left the fact out of the nature of the man's sin.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I think that removing someone from a congregation can be Biblically supported. Are you going to fire 1 Corinthians 5 at me when you return?

here are some of the passages on which he practice may be Biblically established,

(1 Corinthians 5:9-13) In my letter I wrote you to quit mixing in company with fornicators, not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, you would actually have to get out of the world. But now I am writing you to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.”

clearly the emphasis is on removing any person that was considered a brother (a Christian) but is now, no longer in good standing, because of immoral deeds. Notice that it does not apply to those outside the congregation, only those within it, Paul makes this quite clear. Paul states two things, quit mixing in company (shunning) , not eating (refusing hospitality, symbolic of acceptance and friendship especially in the east), clearly if an individual continues to engage in activity that is considered immoral they are to be shunned, no friendship made and ultimately removed from the congregation. Please explain why the practice is not Biblical? Further to this we have the following verse which again clearly states that a Christian must have no social contact with a person guilty of immorality and who remains unrepentant,

(2 Thessalonians 3:6) Now we are giving you orders, brothers, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, to withdraw from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the tradition you received from us

again the emphasis is on those who were considered part of the congregation, a brother. You will now explain why the process of shunning an unrepentant person is non Biblical.

Originally posted by RJHinds
The leaven refers to the sin of that man. What was Mark Hunter's sin that he could not be forgiven in your opinion?

Ronald Jesus Hinds 😏

P.S You did not answer why you left the fact out of the nature of the man's sin.

he could be forgiven, but he did not want it, he disfellowshipped himself, we had to remove him. Too bad for him! What have you to say about this , Jonah Hinds,

(1 Corinthians 5:9-13) In my letter I wrote you to quit mixing in company with fornicators, not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, you would actually have to get out of the world. But now I am writing you to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.”

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
again the emphasis is on those who were considered part of the congregation, a brother. You will now explain why the process of shunning an unrepentant person is non Biblical.

How is "the process of shunning" as described by ex-JWs, who have been its victims at the hands of JWs and the JW organisation, justified by the bible? [That they can be expelled from the group is not disputed, and never was in this discussion.]

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
here are some of the passages on which he practice may be Biblically established,

(1 Corinthians 5:9-13) In my letter I wrote you to quit mixing in company with fornicators, not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, you would actually have to get out of the world. But ...[text shortened]... rother. You will now explain why the process of shunning an unrepentant person is non Biblical.

What does Jesus have to say on the matter? I'm thinking Matthew 18:15-17 and Luke 6:27-37.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
What does Jesus have to say on the matter? I'm thinking Matthew 18:15-17 and Luke 6:27-37.

you sound like suzzianne, are you going to ignore the texts that I cited?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you sound like suzzianne, are you going to ignore the texts that I cited?

Your cited texts don't justify "the process of shunning" as described by ex-JWs who have been its victims.