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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI don't doubt that he did disassociate himself, but so what?
Sigh the repost of those who are used to answering before they know any or all of the details. He disassociated himself. Now let this stand as a lesson to you, see before you reply, hurl insinuations across cyber space and generally base texts on mere assumptions, get to know the facts. This is exactly the reason why you would never qualify to be a ...[text shortened]... equent who similarly portray a distorted and biased perspective. Oh Well, you are what you are.
You said to PK that you would leave the site if he (your ex friend) tried to contact you; what type of brotherly love is that ffs!
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieNo, you have plenty of issues. Like, for example, the unhealthy and irresponsible attitudes you hold toward folks like Brenda Lee. Oh, yeah, and relatedly you're also an intellectual slave in the grips of a deplorable cult. So, you know, there's that too.
thanks but i have no issues. I love being a witness, i love my brothers and sisters, my elders, my friends, my congregation. I love helping people apply Biblical principles, its awesome. You should not pity me, you should be happy for me, I have a beautiful and loving wife, a beautiful family and no issues. I was not always a witness and choose through my own volition to become one in my twenties, best decision I ever made.
07 Feb 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell perhaps those people you accuse of wasting time or following fleshly desires (or whatever grim rocks it was you were throwing) are just taking their kids to the sporting events; you really are a hypocrite you know.
I play video games with my kid, as a good father should. WE have Di Maria, Van Persie, Vagner Love, Dzeko, Debuchy, Jordi Gomez and many others, next acquisition will be Ozil!
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Originally posted by LemonJelloyeah yeah, that's right, that's probably why I am so happy, a happy mindless drone, awesome. So while I spread the happiness, you rant and rave, brilliant.
No, you have plenty of issues. Like, for example, the unhealthy and irresponsible attitudes you hold toward folks like Brenda Lee. Oh, yeah, and relatedly you're also an intellectual slave in the grips of a deplorable cult. So, you know, there's that too.
07 Feb 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou are good at quoting verses out of context and applying them as you see fit. It is best to look at it in context to understand what the apostle Paul was writing about.
No his sin was apostasy, would you like a Biblical precedent for I dont hold out much hope in you finding it yourself,
(Titus 3:10, 11) As for a man that promotes a sect, reject him after a first and a second admonition knowing that such a man has been turned out of the way and is sinning, he being self-condemned.
Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect and the acknowledgment of the truth which accords with godliness, in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began, but has in due time manifested His word through preaching, which was committed to me according to the commandment of God our Savior;
To Titus, a true son in our common faith:
Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior.
For this reason I left you in Crete, that you should set in order the things that are lacking, and appoint elders in every city as I commanded you— if a man is blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of dissipation or insubordination. For a bishop must be blameless, as a steward of God, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but hospitable, a lover of what is good, sober-minded, just, holy, self-controlled, holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict.
For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain. One of them, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men who turn from the truth. To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled. They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.
(Titus 1:1-16 NKJV)
But as for you, speak the things which are proper for sound doctrine: that the older men be sober, reverent, temperate, sound in faith, in love, in patience; the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things— that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.
Likewise, exhort the young men to be sober-minded, in all things showing yourself to be a pattern of good works; in doctrine showing integrity, reverence, incorruptibility, sound speech that cannot be condemned, that one who is an opponent may be ashamed, having nothing evil to say of you.
(Titus 2:1-8 NKJV)
Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work, to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men. For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another. But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
This is a faithful saying, and these things I want you to affirm constantly, that those who have believed in God should be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable to men.
But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless. Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition, knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.
(Titus 3:1-11 NKJV)
The apostle Paul says God's word was committed to him according to the commandment of God our Savior. And in this letter to Titus, he is providing more instructions for the conduct of the members of the church in Crete to prevent division among the members. Notice that he tells Titus to speak the things which are proper for sound doctrine. However, Jehovah's Witnesses have already departed from sound doctrine, so this does not apply within a "Kingdom Hall". 😏
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieLet me put some context into your citing scripture to support your cruelty:
here are some of the passages on which he practice may be Biblically established,
(1 Corinthians 5:9-13) In my letter I wrote you to quit mixing in company with fornicators, not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, you would actually have to get out of the world. But ...[text shortened]... rother. You will now explain why the process of shunning an unrepentant person is non Biblical.
If the JW organisation was the last remaining bastion of religion on Earth and Vexorg King of the planet TRUE RELIGION arrived in a cloud of naked angelic virgins to personally tell me that if I didn't become a JW my balls would turn square, fester at the corners and fall off...I still wouldn't join you lot of hypocritical, self serving, bullies.
07 Feb 13
Originally posted by RJHindsI am not going to even pretend i read that, sorry, soon as you start with an accusation, then i knew it was irrelevant.
[b]You are good at quoting verses out of context and applying them as you see fit. It is best to look at it in context to understand what the apostle Paul was writing about.
Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect and the acknowledgment of the truth which accords with godliness, in hope of eter ...[text shortened]... not apply within a "Kingdom Hall". 😏
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy![/b]
07 Feb 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieOh, really, what happiness are you spreading? I don't see you spreading any happiness here. On the contrary, you're appealing to the putative authority of a ancient text to justify your derision, prejudice, and belittlement of those like Brenda Lee. If that's happiness, then we should all strive to be unhappy.
yeah yeah, that's right, that's probably why I am so happy, a happy mindless drone, awesome. So while I spread the happiness, you rant and rave, brilliant.
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Originally posted by LemonJelloThis is a discussion about disfellowshipping and the practice of shunning and if it can be Biblically established, if you have anything other than accusations and personal insults, rants and raves and references to personalities then ill be happy to discuss that, otherwise your assertions are irrelevant and will be ignored. I really dont think I should take advice on happiness from you as you dont seem very happy to me, you have too many issues, and your posts are a reflection, not of me, but of your bitterness and inability to speared anything other than contentions and an inability to differentiate between the discussion and the personalities who are engaging in the discussion, that is why you resort to attacking me personally .The fact that I have not resorted in kind is a source of happiness for me and I thank you for providing the opportunity to do so.
Oh, really, what happiness are you spreading? I don't see you spreading any happiness here. On the contrary, you're appealing to the putative authority of a ancient text to justify your derision, prejudice, and belittlement of those like Brenda Lee. If that's happiness, then we should all strive to be unhappy.
(Proverbs 10:12) Hatred is what stirs up contentions, but love covers over even all transgressions.
thanks again
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieBroadly, this is a discussion about cults and what sorts of behaviors, etc, are definitional to the term.
This is a discussion about disfellowshipping and the practice of shunning and if it can be Biblically established, if you have anything other than accusations and personal insults, rants and raves and references to personalities then ill be happy to discuss that, otherwise your assertions are irrelevant and will be ignored.
So getting back on that topic, I would submit that attempting to justify the wholesale derision of, prejudice against, and belittlement of those persons who manage to extricate themselves, on the basis of valid reasons, from your ingroup sure seems very cultish.
07 Feb 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYour 2nd edit removed the Hate Card you played, I notice.
This is a discussion about disfellowshipping and the practice of shunning and if it can be Biblically established, if you have anything other than accusations and personal insults, rants and raves and references to personalities then ill be happy to discuss that, otherwise your assertions are irrelevant and will be ignored. I really dont think I sho ...[text shortened]... in kind is a source of happiness for me and I thank you for providing the opportunity to do so.